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	<title>Comments on: The Weekly Nichols: Developing a Rating for Selfishness</title>
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		<title>By: Illuminating my Stephen Jackson comparisons. &#171; I know it ain&#8217;t me.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illuminating my Stephen Jackson comparisons. &#171; I know it ain&#8217;t me.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nichols outlined a simple measurement of &#8220;selfishness&#8221; that accounted for shots attempted and assists, which proved useful to the topic at hand. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nichols outlined a simple measurement of &#8220;selfishness&#8221; that accounted for shots attempted and assists, which proved useful to the topic at hand. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple comments:

- Adding free throws would have been an easy adjustment and something I should have done.  I tried to keep the stat simple, but that was plenty easy.  My bad.

- Factoring in touches would make more sense but it&#039;s not totally plausible.  Even if it was, like I said earlier, I wanted it to be simple.

- Finally, things such as assists sometimes being acts of selfishness may be true.  But like I said in the article, there are obviously exceptions to any stat.  It would be difficult to account for all those little differences.

Thanks to everyone for reading and commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple comments:</p>
<p>- Adding free throws would have been an easy adjustment and something I should have done.  I tried to keep the stat simple, but that was plenty easy.  My bad.</p>
<p>- Factoring in touches would make more sense but it&#8217;s not totally plausible.  Even if it was, like I said earlier, I wanted it to be simple.</p>
<p>- Finally, things such as assists sometimes being acts of selfishness may be true.  But like I said in the article, there are obviously exceptions to any stat.  It would be difficult to account for all those little differences.</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone for reading and commenting!</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 18:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Garron.  I understand this is a simple metric so it will have limitations, but calling Eddie House selfish when his main responsibility is to be a spot-up 3 point specialist doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense.  Also, you could argue that even though he technically plays PG, he doesn&#039;t usually initiate the offense (Paul Pierce or Ray Allen) so it&#039;s not really logical to compare him to other Point Guards who do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Garron.  I understand this is a simple metric so it will have limitations, but calling Eddie House selfish when his main responsibility is to be a spot-up 3 point specialist doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense.  Also, you could argue that even though he technically plays PG, he doesn&#8217;t usually initiate the offense (Paul Pierce or Ray Allen) so it&#8217;s not really logical to compare him to other Point Guards who do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Gordon was one of the most surprising results.  If you had asked me one player who would get a 10, I would have said him.  

Offensive fouls and turnovers can result from selfish play, but not necessarily.  After all, Steve Nash and Jason Kidd turn the ball over quite a bit, but I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s because they&#039;re selfish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Gordon was one of the most surprising results.  If you had asked me one player who would get a 10, I would have said him.  </p>
<p>Offensive fouls and turnovers can result from selfish play, but not necessarily.  After all, Steve Nash and Jason Kidd turn the ball over quite a bit, but I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re selfish.</p>
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		<title>By: RobFitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobFitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 13:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some real surprises for me here. Ben Gordon only SG-average-selfish? Ricky Davis incredibly unselfish? And how about every forward on Philly not knowing how to pass? Nice work.

I&#039;d wonder if stats like turnovers or offensive fouls would be useful here too, since both can tend to result from selfish play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some real surprises for me here. Ben Gordon only SG-average-selfish? Ricky Davis incredibly unselfish? And how about every forward on Philly not knowing how to pass? Nice work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wonder if stats like turnovers or offensive fouls would be useful here too, since both can tend to result from selfish play.</p>
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		<title>By: Auswolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Auswolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 08:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good and well, except most Wolves fans would HOPE Mike Miller would shoot more than he did.  Get selfish Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good and well, except most Wolves fans would HOPE Mike Miller would shoot more than he did.  Get selfish Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you hit the nail on the head. this is a very simple system.. too crude to tell you anything.. doesn&#039;t take into account shooting efficiencies of pass-receiving players.. or hockey assists.. 

and how about players who are on the team just to catch and shoot open 3 pters.. or open shots at the rim..? its way way wya too crude to tell u anything significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you hit the nail on the head. this is a very simple system.. too crude to tell you anything.. doesn&#8217;t take into account shooting efficiencies of pass-receiving players.. or hockey assists.. </p>
<p>and how about players who are on the team just to catch and shoot open 3 pters.. or open shots at the rim..? its way way wya too crude to tell u anything significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Garron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it neccessarily means selfish though. Guys like Eddie House, Tyson Chandler (and a lot of other centers) are just recipient of passes at the rim (or in Eddie&#039;s case, has a green light to shoot whenever).

I do however see a lot of rookies and young players (Thorton, Thad Young, Beasley) which I think is the mentality of &quot;i gotta show what I got so I get minutes/paid&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it neccessarily means selfish though. Guys like Eddie House, Tyson Chandler (and a lot of other centers) are just recipient of passes at the rim (or in Eddie&#8217;s case, has a green light to shoot whenever).</p>
<p>I do however see a lot of rookies and young players (Thorton, Thad Young, Beasley) which I think is the mentality of &#8220;i gotta show what I got so I get minutes/paid&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy McGrady with a 1.56 is what really leapt out at me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy McGrady with a 1.56 is what really leapt out at me.</p>
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		<title>By: sfjayp</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfjayp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t you want to relate shots to touches, not assists?  What percent of the time when a player has the ball do they shoot it?  An assist really has nothing to do with it.  Is a player less selfish by making an assist than by making the pass that leads to the assist?  Nope.

In fact, you could construe it the opposite, sometimes players force a pass (say from the top of the arch to the post) instead of working it through the wing, which would have a lower chance of turnover.  In that case, if a player at the top of the arch successfully makes the unnecessarily risky pass they get an assist, but it was actually a more selfish play than working it through the wing.

Cool idea, though.  I&#039;m guessing getting a timestamped record of every time each player touches the ball isn&#039;t really easy to come by...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you want to relate shots to touches, not assists?  What percent of the time when a player has the ball do they shoot it?  An assist really has nothing to do with it.  Is a player less selfish by making an assist than by making the pass that leads to the assist?  Nope.</p>
<p>In fact, you could construe it the opposite, sometimes players force a pass (say from the top of the arch to the post) instead of working it through the wing, which would have a lower chance of turnover.  In that case, if a player at the top of the arch successfully makes the unnecessarily risky pass they get an assist, but it was actually a more selfish play than working it through the wing.</p>
<p>Cool idea, though.  I&#8217;m guessing getting a timestamped record of every time each player touches the ball isn&#8217;t really easy to come by&#8230;</p>
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