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	<title>Comments on: Nichols and Dime: Revisiting the Importance of Three-Point Shooting for Point Guards</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to see the same look at a point guard who scores in the paint.  Rondo and Parker&#039;s teams have both had obvious success and neither is a great 3 pt shooter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to see the same look at a point guard who scores in the paint.  Rondo and Parker&#8217;s teams have both had obvious success and neither is a great 3 pt shooter.</p>
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		<title>By: dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does that mean jameer nelson is the best pg</description>
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		<title>By: A Brief Statistical Appreciation of Walter Ray &#187; Boston Celtics Basketball &#8211; Celtics news, rumors and analysis &#8211; CelticsHub.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Brief Statistical Appreciation of Walter Ray &#187; Boston Celtics Basketball &#8211; Celtics news, rumors and analysis &#8211; CelticsHub.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shooter who can actually shoot has a dramatic effect on a team&#8217;s offense. Jon Nichols studied this for point guards recently, and found that a high-percentage, high-volume shooter at the PG spot sends an offense into the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FittyBucksB</title>
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		<dc:creator>FittyBucksB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 100% with KneeJerk

It&#039;s not about your pg being able to pop the 3s, but it&#039;s about playing smart and within the offensive scheme -- meaning, KNOW YOUR ROLE. You don&#039;t have to be a lights out 3pt shooter nor do you even have to shoot 3s at all, as long as there&#039;s a system that works and you abide by it. Isiah Thomas won 2 rings in a row, and he doesn&#039;t come close to being a 3pt threat.

In response to AKDave, I have to say J Williams was a horrible pg, but solid play coming from the other role players in Shaq, Haslem and Posey, more than made up for J Will&#039;s shortcomings. 

Now of course if a player can shoot the 3ball, it&#039;d be a tremendous plus. But as long as there&#039;s a solid offensive scheme available, EXECUTION is what will prevail in the end - a la the SA Spurs and little TP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 100% with KneeJerk</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about your pg being able to pop the 3s, but it&#8217;s about playing smart and within the offensive scheme &#8212; meaning, KNOW YOUR ROLE. You don&#8217;t have to be a lights out 3pt shooter nor do you even have to shoot 3s at all, as long as there&#8217;s a system that works and you abide by it. Isiah Thomas won 2 rings in a row, and he doesn&#8217;t come close to being a 3pt threat.</p>
<p>In response to AKDave, I have to say J Williams was a horrible pg, but solid play coming from the other role players in Shaq, Haslem and Posey, more than made up for J Will&#8217;s shortcomings. </p>
<p>Now of course if a player can shoot the 3ball, it&#8217;d be a tremendous plus. But as long as there&#8217;s a solid offensive scheme available, EXECUTION is what will prevail in the end &#8211; a la the SA Spurs and little TP.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajon Rondo&#8217;s Step Back &#187; Boston Celtics Basketball &#8211; Celtics news, rumors and analysis &#8211; CelticsHub.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajon Rondo&#8217;s Step Back &#187; Boston Celtics Basketball &#8211; Celtics news, rumors and analysis &#8211; CelticsHub.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when your point guard can shoot, check out the great Jon Nichols&#8217; study (available here at Hardwood Paroxysm) on how good three-point shooting PG impacts a team&#8217;s offensive [...]</description>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Do you remember what I told you you would find when you posted your last &quot;study&#039;s results&quot; here? ... re: the relationship between effectiveness and 3FG% [and the lack of a correlation between effectiveness and 3FGA]

Hopefully you do.

Trust that I have not done a formal study of this data yet either ... except, of course, that which occurs each game in my own mind&#039;s eye.

There has yet to be a computer [statistical?] program yet written that can duplicate [never mind supercede] the effectiveness and accuracy of a well-trained eye in terms of being able to assess the goings-on on a basketball court correctly.

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re: &lt;i&gt;&quot;However, it makes sense that a player that can shoot threes not only efficiently but also often will be even more effective.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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Actually what makes complete sense, from a &quot;Basketball Acumen standpoint&quot;, is that Point Guards with a high 3FG% on as few 3FGA&#039;s as possible have the greatest positive effect on their own team&#039;s ability to WIN games.

Although this might seem counter-intuitive at first to those who do not know and understand how the game actually works, for those that do already, it&#039;s as staright-forward as 1 + 1 = 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Do you remember what I told you you would find when you posted your last &#8220;study&#8217;s results&#8221; here? &#8230; re: the relationship between effectiveness and 3FG% [and the lack of a correlation between effectiveness and 3FGA]</p>
<p>Hopefully you do.</p>
<p>Trust that I have not done a formal study of this data yet either &#8230; except, of course, that which occurs each game in my own mind&#8217;s eye.</p>
<p>There has yet to be a computer [statistical?] program yet written that can duplicate [never mind supercede] the effectiveness and accuracy of a well-trained eye in terms of being able to assess the goings-on on a basketball court correctly.</p>
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re: <i>&#8220;However, it makes sense that a player that can shoot threes not only efficiently but also often will be even more effective.&#8221;</i><br />
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<p>Actually what makes complete sense, from a &#8220;Basketball Acumen standpoint&#8221;, is that Point Guards with a high 3FG% on as few 3FGA&#8217;s as possible have the greatest positive effect on their own team&#8217;s ability to WIN games.</p>
<p>Although this might seem counter-intuitive at first to those who do not know and understand how the game actually works, for those that do already, it&#8217;s as staright-forward as 1 + 1 = 2.</p>
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		<title>By: AK Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>AK Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KneeJerk-

Don&#039;t forget Jason Williams (Miami 2006).  He was pretty efficient with his floor game once Pat Riley knocked the showtime out of him.  But his 3pt shooting was atrocious.  And his D was suspect; especially on athletic 2&#039;s.

Also worthy of mention is that Parker does not handle point-guard duties in the true sense of the word.  He&#039;s a weirdo.  An ultra-quick undersized guard who can&#039;t hit a 3 reliably, set up teammates, or defend.  He walks the ball up the floor like a PG, but then passes it off to Tim or Manu and lets them actually make a play.  So, he doesn&#039;t turn the ball over much, but that is because he is playing off the ball or just plain ballhogging most of the time.*

In both of these cases, the team had an athletic 2 (Manu/Wade) who handled the ball most of the time on 1/2 court offensive sets.

(*disclaimer: I don&#039;t like Parker- I know he scores lots of points and has a hawt wife and more money than me and is probably a nice guy- but I don&#039;t like his game.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KneeJerk-</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget Jason Williams (Miami 2006).  He was pretty efficient with his floor game once Pat Riley knocked the showtime out of him.  But his 3pt shooting was atrocious.  And his D was suspect; especially on athletic 2&#8242;s.</p>
<p>Also worthy of mention is that Parker does not handle point-guard duties in the true sense of the word.  He&#8217;s a weirdo.  An ultra-quick undersized guard who can&#8217;t hit a 3 reliably, set up teammates, or defend.  He walks the ball up the floor like a PG, but then passes it off to Tim or Manu and lets them actually make a play.  So, he doesn&#8217;t turn the ball over much, but that is because he is playing off the ball or just plain ballhogging most of the time.*</p>
<p>In both of these cases, the team had an athletic 2 (Manu/Wade) who handled the ball most of the time on 1/2 court offensive sets.</p>
<p>(*disclaimer: I don&#8217;t like Parker- I know he scores lots of points and has a hawt wife and more money than me and is probably a nice guy- but I don&#8217;t like his game.)</p>
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		<title>By: KneeJerkNBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KneeJerkNBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the PGs on championship teams in recent memory (Derek Fisher, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups), the 3 ball isn&#039;t the biggest factor that stands out.  It&#039;s more of an ability to manage a game without turning the ball over.  And of course, they can all defend their positions effectively and most of them (Parker excluded) are strong enough to defend 2s on the switch.  If you take Fisher out of the picture, there&#039;s also a lot of scoring in the paint.

So if I&#039;m looking to win a championship, the guard I&#039;m drafting (or trading for) is strong, smart, can shoot the 3 a bit (for spacing), but most importantly can defend and not turn it over.

Allen Iverson is pretty much the opposite of this player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the PGs on championship teams in recent memory (Derek Fisher, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups), the 3 ball isn&#8217;t the biggest factor that stands out.  It&#8217;s more of an ability to manage a game without turning the ball over.  And of course, they can all defend their positions effectively and most of them (Parker excluded) are strong enough to defend 2s on the switch.  If you take Fisher out of the picture, there&#8217;s also a lot of scoring in the paint.</p>
<p>So if I&#8217;m looking to win a championship, the guard I&#8217;m drafting (or trading for) is strong, smart, can shoot the 3 a bit (for spacing), but most importantly can defend and not turn it over.</p>
<p>Allen Iverson is pretty much the opposite of this player.</p>
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