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	<title>Comments on: Nichols and Dime: Analyzing Changes in Shot Types Over the Course of a Game</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The p-values are essentially zero for three-pointers, midrange shots, and layups.  See three comments above.  

Shooting fouls are fouls committed during a shooting attempt, so they have nothing to do with team fouls.  Fouls in the bonus do not count as shooting fouls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The p-values are essentially zero for three-pointers, midrange shots, and layups.  See three comments above.  </p>
<p>Shooting fouls are fouls committed during a shooting attempt, so they have nothing to do with team fouls.  Fouls in the bonus do not count as shooting fouls.</p>
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		<title>By: hamahakkimies</title>
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		<dc:creator>hamahakkimies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like to see is some P-values for the regression coefficients, i.e., the statistical significance of the observed trends or correlations.

Basically, if the R^2s are less than 0.1, the coefficients of linear correlation should be around 0.3 or less. Depending on the number of observations, this may be statistically significant or merely a result of random variation.

By the way, the number of shooting fouls should increase during each quarter due to the accumulation of team fouls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like to see is some P-values for the regression coefficients, i.e., the statistical significance of the observed trends or correlations.</p>
<p>Basically, if the R^2s are less than 0.1, the coefficients of linear correlation should be around 0.3 or less. Depending on the number of observations, this may be statistically significant or merely a result of random variation.</p>
<p>By the way, the number of shooting fouls should increase during each quarter due to the accumulation of team fouls.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Thielke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Thielke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t have enough data to make sense of a plot, just lump the points into 5-second blocks or something like that (aka 0:00-0:05, 0:06-0:10, 0:11-0:15, etc.) You should be able to get a more reasonable correlation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t have enough data to make sense of a plot, just lump the points into 5-second blocks or something like that (aka 0:00-0:05, 0:06-0:10, 0:11-0:15, etc.) You should be able to get a more reasonable correlation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can you publish the R-squared numbers? Drawing a simple linear correlation is not enough. Accepting the result as causality is statistically wrong. The biggest phenomenon that occurs in this article is how easily misinterpreted numbers can be when put into wrong hands.&quot;

I don&#039;t think I ever assumed causality.  I just explained how there&#039;s a correlation between time elapsed and the amount of attempts of certain shots.  I&#039;ve alluded to what could be real causes (defenses tightening up, teams being forced to make up large deficits at the end of games, etc.), but I&#039;ve never tried to explain why exactly these trends are happening.  Like I said at one point: 

&quot;As you can see, thereâ€™s a significant increase in attempts as the game goes on. We also see a very rapid increase at the end of the game. I wonâ€™t speculate as to why this happens, but it certainly is interesting.&quot;

The R^2&#039;s are obviously very low (we&#039;re talking less than .1), but I&#039;m ok with that.  I wouldn&#039;t dare try to predict how many three-pointers a team would take based on the time of the game.  I&#039;d much rather know the players, the coach, the situation of the game, etc.  However, for example, there IS a significant positive linear relationship between three-point attempts and time elapsed at the .00000...01 level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can you publish the R-squared numbers? Drawing a simple linear correlation is not enough. Accepting the result as causality is statistically wrong. The biggest phenomenon that occurs in this article is how easily misinterpreted numbers can be when put into wrong hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I ever assumed causality.  I just explained how there&#8217;s a correlation between time elapsed and the amount of attempts of certain shots.  I&#8217;ve alluded to what could be real causes (defenses tightening up, teams being forced to make up large deficits at the end of games, etc.), but I&#8217;ve never tried to explain why exactly these trends are happening.  Like I said at one point: </p>
<p>&#8220;As you can see, thereâ€™s a significant increase in attempts as the game goes on. We also see a very rapid increase at the end of the game. I wonâ€™t speculate as to why this happens, but it certainly is interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>The R^2&#8242;s are obviously very low (we&#8217;re talking less than .1), but I&#8217;m ok with that.  I wouldn&#8217;t dare try to predict how many three-pointers a team would take based on the time of the game.  I&#8217;d much rather know the players, the coach, the situation of the game, etc.  However, for example, there IS a significant positive linear relationship between three-point attempts and time elapsed at the .00000&#8230;01 level.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there is one problem with your graphs for three pointers, midrange, and layups. there is so much data on these graphs that one could draw just about any trendline on them.&quot;

I personally didn&#039;t draw the trendline (a computer did), but yes, there is obviously a ton of variability.  The exact slope of the line to me isn&#039;t important.  What matters is that for at least two of the graphs (midrange shots and three-pointers) there appears to be a definite trend just by eyeballing the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is one problem with your graphs for three pointers, midrange, and layups. there is so much data on these graphs that one could draw just about any trendline on them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally didn&#8217;t draw the trendline (a computer did), but yes, there is obviously a ton of variability.  The exact slope of the line to me isn&#8217;t important.  What matters is that for at least two of the graphs (midrange shots and three-pointers) there appears to be a definite trend just by eyeballing the data.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bigup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you publish the R-squared numbers? Drawing a simple linear correlation is not enough. Accepting the result as causality is statistically wrong. The biggest phenomenon that occurs in this article is how easily misinterpreted numbers can be when put into wrong hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you publish the R-squared numbers? Drawing a simple linear correlation is not enough. Accepting the result as causality is statistically wrong. The biggest phenomenon that occurs in this article is how easily misinterpreted numbers can be when put into wrong hands.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is one problem with your graphs for three pointers, midrange, and layups.  there is so much data on these graphs that one could draw just about any trendline on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is one problem with your graphs for three pointers, midrange, and layups.  there is so much data on these graphs that one could draw just about any trendline on them.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The 10-man rotation, featuring Jerry Stackhouse getting crammed &#124; Sports News Images and Videos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] money. Again.7th: Raptors HQ. Opening a discussion on what we expect from our perfect offense.8th: HP. Exactly when and how many times we can expect to see certain shots. Great work.9th. The [...]</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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