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	<title>Comments on: Nichols and Dime: Recalculating Advanced Stats Using Play-by-Play Data</title>
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		<title>By: Hardwood Paroxysm &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Recalculated Advanced Stats for the 2009-2010 Season</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardwood Paroxysm &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Recalculated Advanced Stats for the 2009-2010 Season</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of you may recall an article I wrote back in November, when I re-calculated a few common advanced stats using play-by-play data.Â  That was for last season, and today I will provide the numbers for this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of you may recall an article I wrote back in November, when I re-calculated a few common advanced stats using play-by-play data.Â  That was for last season, and today I will provide the numbers for this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Clausi</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Clausi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to be able to calculate Tempo Free stats (i.e., stats per possession) as well as Dean Oliver&#039;s ratings, download CREZ:

http://www.crezbasketball.com

CREZ offers a free scoring system that lets you score games or just enter box scores. 

You can then calculate ratings per player and per team, by single game or by multiple games.

Enjoy!
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to be able to calculate Tempo Free stats (i.e., stats per possession) as well as Dean Oliver&#8217;s ratings, download CREZ:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crezbasketball.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.crezbasketball.com</a></p>
<p>CREZ offers a free scoring system that lets you score games or just enter box scores. </p>
<p>You can then calculate ratings per player and per team, by single game or by multiple games.</p>
<p>Enjoy!<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon this is great stuff. I like that you&#039;re watching the games because I think it could improve advanced stats to link it to the game. I think they could be further improved (uber-advanced stats) with watching it and taking into account the possibilities. 

For example, the block rate for a dominant center could be suppressed if they&#039;ve earned the reputation as a brutal shot blocker*. When Mutumbo was in his prime, you were very wary about driving into the lane. As a result, he has fewer block opportunities out of the total number of shots (Dikembe&#039;s presence keeps them at the perimeter). So perhaps, one day block rate could include only shots that the player is within 5 feet of. This is extraordinarily labor intensive and could probably only be done with the resources of a pro team, but something to consider in the future.

* Like the Deion Sanders/Nnamdi Asomugha effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon this is great stuff. I like that you&#8217;re watching the games because I think it could improve advanced stats to link it to the game. I think they could be further improved (uber-advanced stats) with watching it and taking into account the possibilities. </p>
<p>For example, the block rate for a dominant center could be suppressed if they&#8217;ve earned the reputation as a brutal shot blocker*. When Mutumbo was in his prime, you were very wary about driving into the lane. As a result, he has fewer block opportunities out of the total number of shots (Dikembe&#8217;s presence keeps them at the perimeter). So perhaps, one day block rate could include only shots that the player is within 5 feet of. This is extraordinarily labor intensive and could probably only be done with the resources of a pro team, but something to consider in the future.</p>
<p>* Like the Deion Sanders/Nnamdi Asomugha effect.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

This is a sound step you&#039;ve taken in an attempt to better understand the game.

Now ... 

What you need to do next is:

1. Start using the correct definition for what a &quot;real&quot; possession entails, in the game of basketball, rather than what the stat heads have settled on, to this point, which is commonly refered to as &quot;the number of &#039;plays&#039;&quot; a team has in a game; and, then, 

2. Stop trying to bring all numeric values to a similar baseline measure for each game and player.

Understanding basketball correctly is about analyzing each and every possession, based on the available play-by-play data which is keep by the assistant coaches in the NBA when they break down film/tape, based upon the individual match-ups in- play at a given point in a game. 

It is not about the average number of points scored per 100 possessions ... as currently defined by stat heads ... for a team ... and one example ... and how that &quot;number&quot; compares, in terms of a supposed &quot;efficiency rating&quot; [etc.] ... over the course of a season [or seasons] against the other 29 teams [and their respective players] in the NBA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>This is a sound step you&#8217;ve taken in an attempt to better understand the game.</p>
<p>Now &#8230; </p>
<p>What you need to do next is:</p>
<p>1. Start using the correct definition for what a &#8220;real&#8221; possession entails, in the game of basketball, rather than what the stat heads have settled on, to this point, which is commonly refered to as &#8220;the number of &#8216;plays&#8217;&#8221; a team has in a game; and, then, </p>
<p>2. Stop trying to bring all numeric values to a similar baseline measure for each game and player.</p>
<p>Understanding basketball correctly is about analyzing each and every possession, based on the available play-by-play data which is keep by the assistant coaches in the NBA when they break down film/tape, based upon the individual match-ups in- play at a given point in a game. </p>
<p>It is not about the average number of points scored per 100 possessions &#8230; as currently defined by stat heads &#8230; for a team &#8230; and one example &#8230; and how that &#8220;number&#8221; compares, in terms of a supposed &#8220;efficiency rating&#8221; [etc.] &#8230; over the course of a season [or seasons] against the other 29 teams [and their respective players] in the NBA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t run any tests myself, but others took a look at the differences.  You can see them here:

http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=2401</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t run any tests myself, but others took a look at the differences.  You can see them here:</p>
<p><a href="http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=2401" rel="nofollow">http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?t=2401</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Haberstroh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Haberstroh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very impressive work Jon.  Out of curiosity, how much of a difference was there, pct-wise, between your PBP individual numbers and the estimated individual numbers. Were some players characteristically affected more than others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very impressive work Jon.  Out of curiosity, how much of a difference was there, pct-wise, between your PBP individual numbers and the estimated individual numbers. Were some players characteristically affected more than others?</p>
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