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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post &#8211; She Got Game Too: Is the NBA Dance Bracket&#8217;s Time Up?</title>
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		<title>By: Landon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, I meant &quot;yoke&quot; not yolk.

And while I am breaking eggs I&#039;ll say I know gals that like the dancers. Cause they like the energy, the dance moves and some of them even think the dancers are hot too and we can agree on all that!

If you don&#039;t want to watch the dancers, bring your knitting or a book or go get a wine spritzer or talk to your friends or kids instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I meant &#8220;yoke&#8221; not yolk.</p>
<p>And while I am breaking eggs I&#8217;ll say I know gals that like the dancers. Cause they like the energy, the dance moves and some of them even think the dancers are hot too and we can agree on all that!</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to watch the dancers, bring your knitting or a book or go get a wine spritzer or talk to your friends or kids instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Landon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teams, any teams,  had cheerleaders to help get get crowd support and build a homecourt advantage. Cheerleaders lead cheers. Graduallly the cheerleaders decided they wanted to be dancers. Teams let them.

I think it is kinda funny that almost none of the guys say they like or cared about the cheerleaders. Most don&#039;t care much, I mean it is not that big a deal, but most don&#039;t want to admit that they look and enjoy- not just the gyrating bodies but the positive energy as opposed to the yolk of work and often the yolk of homelife.

The women want to be &quot;marketed to&quot;.  Ok that&#039;s honest. But you&#039;re also saying you don&#039;t want negative marketing influences that bug you even though they might help market to men, especially men with big bucks and business clients sitting close to the courts or in the suites.  Well I can see the market to me stuff but you can&#039;t tell a business not to market to other people and expect to succeed.

And any guy will tell you they&#039;ve know dozens of women who when choosing or getting caught watching sports talk about the players butts. Ok be a woman with a nature driven sex drive. I&#039;ll be a guy with one too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teams, any teams,  had cheerleaders to help get get crowd support and build a homecourt advantage. Cheerleaders lead cheers. Graduallly the cheerleaders decided they wanted to be dancers. Teams let them.</p>
<p>I think it is kinda funny that almost none of the guys say they like or cared about the cheerleaders. Most don&#8217;t care much, I mean it is not that big a deal, but most don&#8217;t want to admit that they look and enjoy- not just the gyrating bodies but the positive energy as opposed to the yolk of work and often the yolk of homelife.</p>
<p>The women want to be &#8220;marketed to&#8221;.  Ok that&#8217;s honest. But you&#8217;re also saying you don&#8217;t want negative marketing influences that bug you even though they might help market to men, especially men with big bucks and business clients sitting close to the courts or in the suites.  Well I can see the market to me stuff but you can&#8217;t tell a business not to market to other people and expect to succeed.</p>
<p>And any guy will tell you they&#8217;ve know dozens of women who when choosing or getting caught watching sports talk about the players butts. Ok be a woman with a nature driven sex drive. I&#8217;ll be a guy with one too.</p>
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		<title>By: NeauxGeaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeauxGeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 02:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  I completely agree with your points. I am female and have been to Hornet&#039;s games with groups of women as well as groups of guys where I was the only woman.  The guys ALL told me that they felt uncomfortable with a female friend there when the dancers were performing.  I might mention that I was not, nor have I ever been &quot;romantically involved&quot; with any of these guys; it wasn&#039;t a &quot;you&#039;re looking at other women&quot; issue.  The guys all admitted that the dancers were totally objectified as sexual entertainment and having another woman there &quot;embarrassed&quot; them...One of them even said they would not go to a strip club with a female friend and that was what they felt like! I was surprised to hear them say that...I honestly thought women were the only ones who noticed.

As for the pink t-shirt issue- my dad is also a Hornet&#039;s fan and we have attended some games together.  He bought me a pink t-shirt, so I have to wear it!  Otherwise, I prefer to wear t-shirts that have the actual team colors. 

Regardless of male opinion on whether or not they should be there, the dancers do in fact alienate female fans.  No, the NBA does not try to market to us; in some ways they go out of their way to make games feel like an &quot;all-boys&quot; club and that we do not belong.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think the Hornets care.  As long as 19 year old women are signing up by the hundreds to audition the dancers will remain.  Now that I think about, I love football more anyway.  GEAUX SAINTS!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  I completely agree with your points. I am female and have been to Hornet&#8217;s games with groups of women as well as groups of guys where I was the only woman.  The guys ALL told me that they felt uncomfortable with a female friend there when the dancers were performing.  I might mention that I was not, nor have I ever been &#8220;romantically involved&#8221; with any of these guys; it wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;you&#8217;re looking at other women&#8221; issue.  The guys all admitted that the dancers were totally objectified as sexual entertainment and having another woman there &#8220;embarrassed&#8221; them&#8230;One of them even said they would not go to a strip club with a female friend and that was what they felt like! I was surprised to hear them say that&#8230;I honestly thought women were the only ones who noticed.</p>
<p>As for the pink t-shirt issue- my dad is also a Hornet&#8217;s fan and we have attended some games together.  He bought me a pink t-shirt, so I have to wear it!  Otherwise, I prefer to wear t-shirts that have the actual team colors. </p>
<p>Regardless of male opinion on whether or not they should be there, the dancers do in fact alienate female fans.  No, the NBA does not try to market to us; in some ways they go out of their way to make games feel like an &#8220;all-boys&#8221; club and that we do not belong.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think the Hornets care.  As long as 19 year old women are signing up by the hundreds to audition the dancers will remain.  Now that I think about, I love football more anyway.  GEAUX SAINTS!!</p>
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		<title>By: Myf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m a woman and I love the NBA.  I think diehard female fans are going to remain a tiny niche demographic until the nba stops acting like the beer commercial man and maybe his son are the only people who really love the game.   A woman at an nba game has two choices  for non game watching related activities, be ignored or be patronized. 

So I go to games when tickets are cheap, because I don&#039;t enjoy watching my team lose  to big drawing away teams. I don&#039;t really see myself going to more games until they decide to stop marketing to obsolete ideas of their fans.  
There isn&#039;t any reason why girls can&#039;t be diehard fans, I&#039;ve seen plenty of them for high school and college teams, but professional teams don&#039;t seem to allow for the possibility, so those that do exist live in the shadows, thousands of individual phantoms of the banknorth sports garden telecom center...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m a woman and I love the NBA.  I think diehard female fans are going to remain a tiny niche demographic until the nba stops acting like the beer commercial man and maybe his son are the only people who really love the game.   A woman at an nba game has two choices  for non game watching related activities, be ignored or be patronized. </p>
<p>So I go to games when tickets are cheap, because I don&#8217;t enjoy watching my team lose  to big drawing away teams. I don&#8217;t really see myself going to more games until they decide to stop marketing to obsolete ideas of their fans.<br />
There isn&#8217;t any reason why girls can&#8217;t be diehard fans, I&#8217;ve seen plenty of them for high school and college teams, but professional teams don&#8217;t seem to allow for the possibility, so those that do exist live in the shadows, thousands of individual phantoms of the banknorth sports garden telecom center&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commentary by a hormone-riddled 23 year old male

Awesome article. Period. You bring up a number of fantastic points which can and should be addressed (even though unfortunately given the speed of the league and its governance this probably won&#039;t happen)

For anyone interested in this trend at the most macro of levels and which is not basketball related, check out an amazing book called Women Want More which draws on the most comprehensive (scale and scope) analysis of women&#039;s purchasing habits/power in history.  Boston Consulting Group demonstrates that in the years to come, while the economies of China and India combined are forecast to grow by about $3.5 trillion, the purchasing power of women in particular is forecast to grow at $5 trillion....I put a link to their site in case anyone&#039;s interested.

Thank you for the article and giving an honest, open and unbiased perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commentary by a hormone-riddled 23 year old male</p>
<p>Awesome article. Period. You bring up a number of fantastic points which can and should be addressed (even though unfortunately given the speed of the league and its governance this probably won&#8217;t happen)</p>
<p>For anyone interested in this trend at the most macro of levels and which is not basketball related, check out an amazing book called Women Want More which draws on the most comprehensive (scale and scope) analysis of women&#8217;s purchasing habits/power in history.  Boston Consulting Group demonstrates that in the years to come, while the economies of China and India combined are forecast to grow by about $3.5 trillion, the purchasing power of women in particular is forecast to grow at $5 trillion&#8230;.I put a link to their site in case anyone&#8217;s interested.</p>
<p>Thank you for the article and giving an honest, open and unbiased perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Do we really need dancers at NBA games? &#124; Inside Hollywood Sports</title>
		<link>http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/03/23/guest-post-she-got-game-too-is-the-nba-dance-brackets-time-up/comment-page-2/#comment-49370</link>
		<dc:creator>Do we really need dancers at NBA games? &#124; Inside Hollywood Sports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and understanding the ins and outs of maritime war history &#8211; ha!), the fantastic column that Sarah Tolcser put together on Hardwood Paroxysm the other day has been whittled down to the usual elements men seem (&quot;seem&quot; &#8211; ha!) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and understanding the ins and outs of maritime war history &#8211; ha!), the fantastic column that Sarah Tolcser put together on Hardwood Paroxysm the other day has been whittled down to the usual elements men seem (&quot;seem&quot; &#8211; ha!) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The 10-man rotation, starring an overrated Rose &#124; Inside Hollywood Sports</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 10-man rotation, starring an overrated Rose &#124; Inside Hollywood Sports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Both Teams Played Hard. This is a perfect breakdown of Derrick Rose(notes).PF: Hardwood Paroxysm. Give it up, NBA. The dance bracket is silly.SF: ProBasketballTalk. The Timberwolves just signed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Both Teams Played Hard. This is a perfect breakdown of Derrick Rose(notes).PF: Hardwood Paroxysm. Give it up, NBA. The dance bracket is silly.SF: ProBasketballTalk. The Timberwolves just signed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ElMag</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElMag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Ability of women (I think someone brought that up here), has anyone seen Doris Burke do a live broadcast? She absolutely sucks. Insisting that Michael Jordan hit his last shot against Utah over CRAIG EHLO, and getting mad and arguing when the other panelist told her it was Byron Russell. She seems to have a chip on her shoulder and she thinks she&#039;s better than the guys. It&#039;s also really uncomfortable hearing her get excited, because it hurts the ears when she screams. Now, I know not all women broadcasters are like that, I love Cheryl Miller, but if ESPN gets Doris Burke as part of their national television PLAYOFF broadcasts, shouldn&#039;t she be one of the best in the country? And if that&#039;s one of the best women broadcasters in the country, what does that have to say about the capabilities of women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Ability of women (I think someone brought that up here), has anyone seen Doris Burke do a live broadcast? She absolutely sucks. Insisting that Michael Jordan hit his last shot against Utah over CRAIG EHLO, and getting mad and arguing when the other panelist told her it was Byron Russell. She seems to have a chip on her shoulder and she thinks she&#8217;s better than the guys. It&#8217;s also really uncomfortable hearing her get excited, because it hurts the ears when she screams. Now, I know not all women broadcasters are like that, I love Cheryl Miller, but if ESPN gets Doris Burke as part of their national television PLAYOFF broadcasts, shouldn&#8217;t she be one of the best in the country? And if that&#8217;s one of the best women broadcasters in the country, what does that have to say about the capabilities of women?</p>
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		<title>By: Non-(MSG)Garden Variety: Ladies&#8217; Night, Bagheads, &#38; Agents Unite To Control The Free World (uh&#8230; or Free Agency) &#124; Buckets Over Broadway &#124; A New York Knicks Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/03/23/guest-post-she-got-game-too-is-the-nba-dance-brackets-time-up/comment-page-2/#comment-49276</link>
		<dc:creator>Non-(MSG)Garden Variety: Ladies&#8217; Night, Bagheads, &#38; Agents Unite To Control The Free World (uh&#8230; or Free Agency) &#124; Buckets Over Broadway &#124; A New York Knicks Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 02:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sites, there has been a back-and-forth about female basketball fans that I find fascinating.Â  The initial highly intelligent post on Hardwood Paroxysm was written by Sarah Tolcser, co-author of HornetsHype, and who&#8217;s Twitter nom de plume is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sites, there has been a back-and-forth about female basketball fans that I find fascinating.Â  The initial highly intelligent post on Hardwood Paroxysm was written by Sarah Tolcser, co-author of HornetsHype, and who&#8217;s Twitter nom de plume is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Women And The NBA &#8211; The No-Look Pass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women And The NBA &#8211; The No-Look Pass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NBA should market better to women. She talked about it here in a nice thought-provoking entry in Hardwood Paroxysm. And she got even angrier when the Memphis Grizzlies decided to play a game of Guess Who? with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NBA should market better to women. She talked about it here in a nice thought-provoking entry in Hardwood Paroxysm. And she got even angrier when the Memphis Grizzlies decided to play a game of Guess Who? with [...]</p>
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