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By: Effective Height and Defending the Paint, Part 2 | Hickory-High

Effective Height and Defending the Paint, Part 2 | Hickory-High — Thu, 05 May 2011 22:44:14 +0000

[...] between Effective Height and defending the paint was earlier this week. That post was inspired by another post from Tom Haberstroh at Hardwood Paroxysm comparing Effective Height to team rebounding rates. To recap, Haberstroh created the metric of [...]

By: Austin Daye, Pistons’ Starting Power Forward? | Hickory-High

Austin Daye, Pistons’ Starting Power Forward? | Hickory-High — Thu, 05 May 2011 22:28:57 +0000

[...] These rebounding numbers would seem to be heavily influenced by Daye’s physical attributes. Tom Haberstroh at Hardwood Paroxysm did some analysis this summer looking at the correlation between…. Height has a much higher correlation with offensive rebounding, as it appears to be a more random [...]

By: Austin Daye, Pistons’ Starting Power Forward? | Hickory High

Austin Daye, Pistons’ Starting Power Forward? | Hickory High — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:01:42 +0000

By: Recap: USA 89, Russia 79 (or, Durant remembers 1972) | Cameron Blues

Recap: USA 89, Russia 79 (or, Durant remembers 1972) | Cameron Blues — Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:20:20 +0000

[...] Watching this game reminded me of a post from a few months back at Hardwood Paroxysm, where Tom Haberstroh presented his effective height metric. With the baseline expectation being that the larger team rebounds better than the shorter team, [...]

By: Ian Levy

Ian Levy — Thu, 20 May 2010 01:46:50 +0000

Tom, thanks for being willing to share! I calculated the eHeight of the frontcourt players of each team and compared it to the same categories. The correlations were actually smaller in every case, rebounding and defense, except for block rate. This sure makes those guards that keep opponents out of the paint look good! Here’s the link if anyone is interested:

http://ilevy.wordpress.com/2010/05/19/effective-height-and-defending-the-paint-part-2/

By: Tom Haberstroh

Tom Haberstroh — Mon, 17 May 2010 16:03:14 +0000

Since when is inspiring work a bad thing? By all means, let’s learn more about the game.

By: Levy2725

Levy2725 — Mon, 17 May 2010 15:56:28 +0000

I put the effective height numbers together with Block Rate, Opponents At Rim FG%, and Opponents % of shots taken At the Rim.
There was almost no correlation in any of those categories either. Here is the link if anyone is interested:

http://ilevy.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/effective-height-and-defending-the-paint/

I am hoping to follow up on GhostofRed’s idea and calculate effective height for just frontcourts and then compare it to these same three statistical categories.

Tom, I hope you don’t mind other people taking your data and running with it!

By: UB

UB — Sun, 16 May 2010 04:39:38 +0000

To piggyback on what Levy noted, the Lakers are very good at 3pt % defense, which suggests that it might be at least partially defensive strategy – in this case, being willing to trust Bynum and Gasol to alter shots without much assistance (which might have them as good-but-not-elite defenders at the rim), and instead staying home on the outside shooters?

By: GhostofRed

GhostofRed — Sat, 15 May 2010 12:49:32 +0000

Great stuff! What happens if you take the guards out of the numbers? Most of the rebounding is done by the frontcourt players, and there’s a lot of variability in player height in the backcourt that doesn’t have much effect on rebounding.

E.g., I bet most of the “short” teams have short starting PGs. Don’t know how you weighted, but if you have a 6′ PG who plays about 1/6 of the team’s minutes (40 out of 240), would the entire team be rated 1″ shorter than a team with a tall PG (6’6″). That’s a lot of the variability between teams – there’s less than 2″ difference between the tallest and shortest teams! Along the same lines, the Lakers probably aren’t all that “tall” because of D Fish.

And it’s at the PG position where quickness and leaping ability is going to make the biggest difference for rebounding. D Fish and Rondo, I’m looking at you.

Maybe another interesting question is – does having a bigger frontcourt mean you’re going to get more rebounds?

By: NBA HD: Does Effective Height Have an Effect? | Hardwood Paroxysm - NBA Live

Sat, 15 May 2010 01:37:42 +0000

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