Incomplete Doesn’t Mean You’re Not Elite

Some things don’t necessarily have to add up for reality to make sense.

Take the Step Up movie franchise for instance.

I bet when you read that sentence you went to IMDB and searched for “Step Up” just to make sure there wasn’t an entirely different movie than the first one that popped into your head. And the first one that popped into your head was the dance movie starring the inexplicable Channing Tatum. Amazingly, THAT’S the movie franchise I’m talking about.

The third installment of this epic dance club trilogy opens up today in movie theaters nation wide and it was filmed entirely in 3D. That’s right. They made a dance movie in 3D. What’s even more incredible than the fact that this 3D dance movie was passed through every single step of the movie making process is the success of the movie franchise.

According to IMDB, the first and second Step Up movies were budgeted for a combined $35 million (estimated) and together they grossed over $120 million in the US alone. While I’m sure the movies themselves are plenty entertaining and they have die hard fans who would be quick to take you to task for not giving these beacons of entertainment a chance, it doesn’t make it any less surprising that the franchise without any big names (the three Channing Tatum fans are going to be furious with me) could be set to drop a third in-theater release.

And that’s where you sort of have to take a leap of faith with the movies. Even though it doesn’t make much quantifiable sense, maybe they’re just that good. Sometimes you can’t explain phenomena such as this and that’s where I’ll disagree with a brilliant basketball mind by saying Carmelo Anthony is one of the NBA’s elite.

Fellow HP brother and basketball genius Tom Haberstroh wrote a very good breakdown (ESPN Insider) of Carmelo Anthony, explaining why he shouldn’t be amongst the elite in the game. Tom makes a very compelling argument with statistical evidence that is nearly impossible to refute. But this is the time in which traditional basketball thinking and the world of advanced stats slam into each other like a couple of evenly matched sumo wrestlers.

“In the end, Anthony’s game demonstrates why it’s important to strip away the biases that color our perceptions of elite players. In Anthony’s case, the excessive shot volume, his team’s stat-padding tempo and the lack of a true 3-point game makes his 28.2 ppg seem far less impressive than his sparkling reputation would suggest.

If anything, it’s time we moved on from per-game statistics to evaluate our players. Millions of dollars are wasted every year basing player value on the archaic statistics that teams used half a century ago. And someone will surely overpay Anthony and offer him a max contract — just look at the deals Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay got.”

After explaining many reasons of why Carmelo Anthony falls short due to his seemingly one-dimensional game and why his offense might be more smoke and mirrors than fire and whatever the opposite or more tangible version of mirrors is, Tom throws down the advanced versus basic stats gauntlet. People who claim that Tom is just a “stat geek that needs to actually watch the games” clearly don’t understand what he’s saying or the reason he’s saying it. The evidence is correct.

But can it also be false? Outside of scoring, Carmelo doesn’t do anything at an elite level. He’s a marginal rebounder at best, a suspect defender and a guy that doesn’t create for his teammates nearly as much as he probably could and should. He throws out good but not outstanding PER numbers every season. His shooting numbers are good but not special. And yet at the same time, I can’t help but think he is a legitimate elite player in the NBA.

If you ask me (and I’m assuming you are in an indirect way if you read through nearly 300 words about Step Up before you got to the point of this post), the way Carmelo Anthony scores is what makes him elite. I don’t disagree with Tom’s points about the pace and shooting numbers making his gaudy points per game numbers look better than they actually are. But with the way he performs in the fourth quarter it’s hard for me to ignore just how good he is.

Over the past three seasons, Carmelo Anthony has been one of the better clutch scorers in the NBA. Yes, his shooting numbers have been up and down in terms of the percentage he’s made in these situations but he still puts up more points than just about anybody when it counts (thanks, 82games.com):

- In the 2007-08 season, Carmelo Anthony ranked just 20th (36.3) in the NBA in points per 48 clutch minutes while shooting 42% from the field, 12.5% from three and 81% from the free throw line. But he got to the free throw line in these situations better than all but 14 players in the NBA at 17.6 free throw attempts per 48 clutch minutes.

- In the 2008-09 season, Carmelo Anthony was sort of unstoppable when it counted the most. Only Kobe Bryant and LeBron James scored a higher volume of clutch points with Carmelo finishing third in the league with 54.4 points per 48 clutch minutes. He shot absurd percentages of 56.5% from the field, 58.3% from three and 82% from the free throw line. He also got to the free throw line more than anybody with 24 attempts per 48 clutch minutes.

- This past season, Carmelo fell back down to Earth in terms of clutch shooting percentages. He made just 42.7% from the field, 14.3% from three and improved his free throw shooting to 87%. But he still finished fourth in the league in clutch points per 48 with 47.0 and second in clutch free throw attempts per 48 with 21.7 per.

While the percentages fluctuate quite a bit from year to year and the 08-09 efficiency from three-point range seems to be a complete anomaly, the fact that he scores when his team needs it the most can’t be overlooked just because he’s “not elite” during other parts of the game. Carmelo is an elite crunch time scorer and he’s been the best player on one of the best teams in the league over the past three years. He’s put his Nuggets in the conversation for one of the challengers to the mighty Lakers in each of the past three seasons in an impossibly tough Western Conference.

What’s funny to me is that nobody would question Kevin Durant being an elite player in the NBA right now. And when you look at the numbers of what he did compared to what Carmelo Anthony did, there isn’t a HUGE difference in the final output.

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Aside from a PER, offensive rating and win shares, the numbers are pretty even all across the board. Durant’s TS% is also much higher than Carmelo’s but considering Durant just put together a historic season at the free throw line, I don’t think you can really use that against Anthony all that much. Win shares and offensive rating are fairly damning but I still don’t believe that it disproves Carmelo being an elite player in this league.

Look to the fourth quarter of the last three seasons and you’ll see that Anthony has been far superior to Durant in clutch scoring. Yes, Durant is still so young and doing all of this at the equivalent of being a NBA toddler but it doesn’t change the fact that Carmelo bests him in a very important area despite taking a backseat to the current popular opinion of who is better between the two.

And for the first time in a long time, the primitive argument of “watch the games” may hold a ladle of water for this discussion. There’s no doubt when you watch a close Nuggets game in the fourth quarter that Carmelo Anthony is an elite player. He cuts through defenses by hitting face-up jumpers, pull-up jumpers and even gets into the paint to create some contact before creating some scoring. He’s not perfect by any means in these situations but he’s still one of the best there is in the NBA.

Maybe Carmelo Anthony isn’t in the elite class of LeBron, Kobe, Wade and Durant. Okay, he’s definitely not in their class. But he can still be an elite player in this league in the same way that Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams are for their respective teams. They impact games in ways that other players in the NBA simply can’t consistently do.

Step Up is an important part of the current movie industry in the same way Carmelo Anthony is an elite player in this league. Just because you look at the entire body of work and come away unimpressed doesn’t mean that the box office numbers are irrelevant.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to defend myself to Channing Tatum’s family fans.

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Look at the Nuggets' record when different players were out last year. They were terrible with Chauncey Billups injured, bad without Kenyon Martin, and pretty much OK without Carmelo.

This notion that when you lose a 30ppg scorer, other players will have to make up that 30 points is such a fallacy. A guy who scores 12 points a night and actually rebounds and plays defense just isn't that big a step down from what Carmelo (and a lot of other superstars I could name) provide to their teams. All the things he can do that nobody else can don't matter much when he doesn't do the things that anybody else could be doing.

Forgot the link on the clutch stats:
http://dberri.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/more-on-the...
It seems there's a 100 minute minimum, leaving Melo out for 08-09.

Zach--

Does it bother you at all that there are at least 30 NBA players who, over the last 2 years, have higher WS, WS/48, *and* WARP scores than Melo? That by those metrics he's the 3rd best player of the Nuggets? That the Nuggets have made it out of the first round exactly once since he's been there?

OK, how about this-- there are 7 players who have been top 10 in clutch time 2 of the last 3 years: LBJ, Ginobili, Nash, Kidd, CP3, Howard, and (wait for it) Caron Butler. Somebody's name is missing.... Although he would have made it in 08-09 if he had enough minutes. Yes, 08-09 (his only good clutch year) was a small sample.

He's a superstar, but only because he has the celebrity: college legend, famous draft class, high scoring, cool name. He's not even remotely as good as the players you compare him to.

I don't think anybody would argue that Carmelo Anthony is not capable of scoring at an elite level long enough to push a game from L to W for his team. Many times, scoring a few key baskets against a fully engaged defense is what a team needs at the end of a game. He is one of a handful of players that can score at any time against virtually any defense. And that's a big plus for him.

"I've seen too many games where Melo has just taken over in crunch time" is a classic "watch the games(, nerd)" statement. Yes, he steps up in close games enough to stand out for it. But what you don't notice as easily: The games where his mediocre defense gives the other team a few extra buckets here and there, leaving them in need of a big finish instead of playing with a cushion.

I think the value of an elite player is often obscured because they put the game away gradually starting with the opening tip. Extraordinary efficiency with extraordinary usage is what makes a player elite, to me. Ultimately, everybody else is a role player to a certain extent. That's no knock; role players can still be game-changers.

Got to agree with Zach on this one. I've seen too many games where Melo has just taken over in crunch time.

This line of argument is really a bit strange. Carmelo Anthony may well be an above average scorer in clutch situations, but in order to gauge his overall effectiveness you need to consider what he does over the course of games as a whole, and the statistics show that in respect to just about every category other than points per game Anthony is below average. Regression analysis has shown that PPG explain only around 20% of wins, so it seems to me you need to take a more holistic approach when assessing who is elite than simply considering points scored. This is true even if you want to define greatness as simply production during clutch situations. Yes, Anthony may score prolifically and efficiently in these situations, but what's his rebounding like? Can he get steals? Does he turn the ball over a lot? His scoring prowess isn't much good if his team can't get the ball because no one is rebounding it or generating turnovers.

Btw, saying that Anthony is a great player because he's the best player on the team is basically a circular argument. Who says he's the best player on the team? He certainly takes the most shots, but I think if you looked at the stats as a whole you'd have to say that a lot of the team's success could be linked to the production of other players (Billups, Nene, Andersen, etc.)

I guess we diagree Zach. I don't think Carmelo affects a game nearly as much as Howard, Paul or Williams. When your value rests mainly on your offensive production, you have to create more for others to be an elite overall player.

To me, Carmelo is his generation's Dominique Wilkins. A likely HOF bound player, but one clearly a notch or two below his generation's Bird, Jordan and Magic due to his incomplete game. Carmelo, health permitting, will likely get to 25,000 plus points, rack up many more all-star games and all-nba honors but I doubt a team can win a championship if he's one of your two best players because he brings negative value in addition to his positive contributions.

It seems like you are trying to get away with a few things here, especially with the Durant comparison. I don't think you can so easily dismiss the statistical difference. He may be relatively close in most individual stats, but Durant's repeated slight edge really compounds in the advanced stats designed to more broadly measure impact.

You said that you can't hold the TS% disparity against Anthony too much because Durant just had such a stellar season at the FT line... but you have to consider this: Durant just had a stellar season at the FT line. That is a major part of his value as an elite player.

If two cars are going to race 2000 miles, I think you're talking up the car that accelerates a bit more slowly, has a slightly lower top speed, gets slightly worse mileage and has a slightly smaller gas tank. All those things add up to a significant difference. Even if it has a great kick over the all-important last 5 miles, you can't talk me into that one.

Zach, I'm a big fan, but I would file this one under "definitelyinoveryourheadwiththisargument".

Steven, this is probably where you and I differ. I don't think you have to be a complete player to be an elite player. I think Melo affects a game just as much as Howard (well, Howard's defense really makes it hard to compare him to anybody right now), Paul and Williams. Maybe it's not the same way but Melo doesn't need extra stats to make him elite or more legitimate.

I definitely agree he can make those improvements but that won't change much to me. The guy is a great player with elite clutch scoring. That's good enough for me.

CP3 and Howard are in the same class as Durant, Wade, and Lebron by advanced metrics (in Paul's best season, he was better than all of them). Carmelo is probably in Deron's class, but he still is an overrated player who probably doesn't deserve the max.

Wait, Carmelo's not in the class of Kobe, Lebron, Wade and Durant but he's in the next step down with Paul, Williams and Howard? How are those next three not super elite players? Paul is as good as anybody in the league when healthy (better than Durant certainly) and Howard is far and away the most dominant defensive player in the game and can score too. Howard gives Orlando an incredible luxury: the ability to play a stretch 4 without getting killed on the boards. They can sell out offensively without getting hurt defensively. He single-handedly makes a team with Nelson, Carter and Lewis occupying 3/5 of the starting lineup into one of the best defensive teams in basketball.

Carmelo's an elite scorer but he's pretty flawed when it comes to passing enough and all around defense that he's not as good as his stats. It's damning when in the three areas to judge a perimeter player, he's below average in two of them. He has to be better from three and shoot a higher percentage from the field to really make up for his deficiencies. I think the point about his scoring is that because he's weak in other areas, he has to really standout scoring the ball to be an elite player. He's nearly there but the lack of a three point shot keeps him down. Of course he could just start passing more because he's a wonderfully gifted passer but that's not his mindset.

If Carmelo could get his assists up to 5 per game, which is certainly doable and improve his team defense (I'm assuming his individual defense is what it is because his feet aren't quick laterally), then he would definitely be an elite player. It's asking a lot but shouldn't that be the case with an elite player?

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