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The Two Faced Perpetual Motion Of Hype, Or, Why I’m A Hater’s Hater That Hates

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On top of everything that has been said of the world of sports coverage, you may now add another achievement: the destruction of the basic laws of physics.

The premise of perpetual motion is an engineer’s dream and a physicist’s nightmare. The idea is to create a self-sustainable mechanism that will operate either for a given period or time indefinitely, producing more work and/or energy then it consumes. It’s a great idea in theory – how cool would it be if we had cars that burnt fuel, then collected the fumes and turned them back into new fuel that we could use once more? Oil crisis solved, gas prices irrelevant, everybody happy.

Sadly, the concept is physically impossible. The conservation of energy in any given system is a physical necessity, and one that does not apply in the scintillating case of perpetual motion.

I dare you to tell that to the national sports media, though. To them, Newton is a quarterback from Auburn, and Einstein is a sarcastic, derogatory term used to describe the guy who signs Darko Milicic to 4 year deals.

The hype machine is not only a self-sustainable mechanism, it’s a self-sustainable monstrosity. Consuming only the basic energy of a strong rooke year or a single impressive game, it produces hundreds of articles, message board comments and cooler talk. Once that first blow is created, the hype just feeds on itself.

Of course, the hype cannot live without its brother, the anti-hype. Whenever people go out of their way to promote something or someone, natural resistance always takes place. Some of it is rational (Blake Griffin is probably the funnest player in the league right now, but lets take it easy until he actually learns how to rebound and doesn’t just grab caroms by jumping really really high). Some of it is cruel, yet merited (I’m extremely high on DeMarcus Cousins and hate the constant “attitude” murmur, but until it’s proven wrong, DMC has to live with it). And some of it is just plain stupid (Colin Cowherd – if he wants to, then John Wall can dance, John Wall can jive, having the time of his life).

And when the hype and anti-hype collide, that other H word comes out.

Stand in the way of the hype at your own peril, lest you be called a hater. It’s a ridiculous argument, of course, one that basically admits all other arguments were lost and yet you refuse to admit discussional defeat. And yet it’s incredibly hard to prove otherwise – YOU HATE HIM, I KNOW IT, DON’T TELL ME OTHERWISE is as irrefutable as cherry pie.

The worst thing about this terrible debating technique is how easily it can be thrown your way. You don’t even have to show any dislike for a certain player or team – all you have to do is rationally promote your position as to why he’s not the best ever or why the team can’t win 83 games in a season and you’re a hater.

The NBA player with the most haters is, obviously, Kobe Bryant. One of the league’s most polarizing figures ever, combined with the league’s largest fanbase – both rabid and casual – and, to top it all, a player whose statistical output never truly caught up with the general perception of his game, all create a situation where the “KOBE IS THE GREATEST” camp and the “Kobe is amazing, but A, B, and C are better” camp both have enough die-hard members that conflict is inevitable.

However, Kobe will eventually retire, and “haters” will have to find another person to rationally explain why he’s not the best, or, to hate. After spending night after night on the Daily Dime Live chats, the heir apparent seems certain to be Derrick Rose.

He has the rabid, mainstream, big market fanbase of Chicago. He has the support of the national media. He has the athleticism that makes the casual fan think “whoa, he can jump the highest, he’s probably the best!”. And, most of all – and this is the key part – he’s not as good as we are constantly told, or yelled at through keyboards and television sets.

Now, I’m not going to break down Rose’s game and tell you why he’s really good but not really, really good (should I remind you that I’ve done this before?). You probably know about the free throw thing, and the defense thing, and the 3 point shooting thing (although apparently, now that he went 2 for 4 from long range on national TV, the fact that he’s still only shooting 34% for three means nothing). No, what interested me happened during one of those DDL chats.

DDL is an interesting situation. On the one hand, over the past year it has developed a die hard, long running community of people who watch basketball every single night and want to talk about it. On the other hand, because being on the front page of ESPN makes it so easily accessible, it also has a very large casual fan component. Thus bringing the conveyors of both hype and anti-hype to the same place.

Wednesday night, as Rose was lighting up the Spurs and single-handedly kept the game competitive before eventually running out of gas, I pointed out in the chat that taking 27 field goals and only one free throw was, and I quote, “disgraceful”. Was I going overboard to create a heated discussion? Of course I was. Is a free throw to field goal rate of 1:27 for a player with Rose’s athleticism disgraceful? Yes.

The usual flurry of comments followed. “You’re a hater!”, “He’s not a hater, he’s right!”, “I like bacon!”. However, one specific comment caught my eye. From commenter ToeKnee:

“I just think Bulls fans get mad at you because you are bashing Rose, yet he is the only reason the bulls are above 500.”

This comment had me re-thinking about the entire premise of hype. We often say that for certain players, expectations are raised too high, and they fail to deliver. However, to my eyes, this is a case of raising extremely high expectations, only to get mad at those who aren’t satisfied with lesser accomplishment.

Is this unfair to Rose? Maybe. He has undoubtedly been fantastic this season, and this Boozer-less Bulls squad probably has no business being 6-4 right now. But we are constantly led to believe that Rose is more than this. His name has been repeatedly thrust into MVP discussions, both by the media and by himself. If this is the case, then the standards by which we must judge him are MVP standards. Not young-stud standards, not perennial all-star standards, but MVP standards. Either that, or re-adjust your expectations. Otherwise, we’re just being hypocrites.

Call it hate if you want, but I refuse to sit back and be satisfied with what Rose is now when what he can be – and hopefully will be in the near future – is so, so much more. MVPs. Titles. Unheard of athletic dominance. This is what we were promised, and what we should look for. We are looking for Derrick Rose to become DERRICK ROSE, not some kind of glorified Steve Francis/Stephon Marbury, sans the headcase.

Great, I just compared Derrick to Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury. Now I’ll get killed.

Point is, we expect more. And we are right to expect more. Because this is a promise that Derrick Rose can keep. He really can be that good. He just isn’t that good right now. And we shouldn’t pretend that he is. We shouldn’t strive for anything less than excellence. That’s an injustice to Derrick, an injustice to other players that are better than him, and an injustice to us as fans.

Enjoy what Derrick Rose does on the court. You really should. It’s truly mind-boggling. But never let that blind you into believing he already is all that he can be.

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Noam, as a Kings fan and west coast native, Derrick Rose is not a player I see on television much and the only time I really see him is during the playoffs. He appears to be an excellent young player who is continuing to improve and may grow to be one of a few actual franchise players in the NBA or not, he may just end up being really, really good. Time will tell, as it always does.

I can see what is happening to Tyreke Evans right now as he fails to thrive 15 games into his sophomore year. We have local Kings fans ready to trade him for 3 magic beans and a cup of coffee. The only thing worse than the local fans despair is the national writers small market ignorance. The national writers only pay attention to New York, Miami, Chicago, Dallas and the Lakers. While quick to judge absolutely and even quicker to report any hint of a rumor as the Gospel they report with a sense of East Coast superiority and the experts certainty of their own opinion. I hate them!

Noam, I first became aware of you on the very early editions of DDL and it has been great to see you grow as a writer. I know it is a virtual community with no central studio but nevertheless I would love to see you do a post expanding on what you wrote here, a behind the scenes take on DDL from an insider. Good work.

You're article would have been better had you not assumed most Bulls fans are like the ones who chime in on ESPN. Write a different one from the vantage point that were not all starry-eyed fans who see no flaws in his game. He does need to get to the line more -- but it's more about understanding how he's supposed to get calls, it's not his style of play, which can be very physical. His defense needs to get better and it has, especially his on the ball defense, but we realize he needs to work on it. Writing with those fans as your audience is well, sort of easy.

You failed to capture the essence of Rose as a player and as a person with the drive and personality traits of a superstar, not a diva. Listen to him and you'll find he's aware of every single deficiency in his game. Everything you've mentioned. You'll also find that he's working like heck to improve on those areas. I'm not going to gush just because I understand advanced statistics and I want to distance myself from the starry eyed Bull fan. It's not enough. You needed to also talk about exactly what makes Rose very good, both on and off the court. You can't only use athleticism as a positive because then you, like the fans you criticize, do Rose a great disservice. This piece simply needed better balance.

This is typical stuff from stat guys who look at the numbers and then pretend to know more than everyone else. There's nothing original about it....blah, blah, blah free throws....blah, blah, blah three point shooting...exactly the stuff that makes efficiency numbers rise and buy the love of guys who know more about numbers than the game. Rose is making some 3s this year and the free throws, as others have pointed out, should be there. Rose drives the lane often. He draws as much contact as anyone in the league. He's also strong and maintains his balance, his shot is barely altered -- watch closely and you'll see he draws as much contact as anyone -- but you're not watching for contact, you're waiting for the refs to make that decision and then look back at the stat sheet. Too often they've been wrong. Rose's quiet demeanor on the court also hurts him. He doesn't complain (even quietly the way Duncan silently lobbies the ref all game). In the NBA, the squeaky star gets the calls.

I was expecting something insightful in this article. What I got was another stat sheet cliche from another in the long line of bloggers who understand numbers better than the game. Comparing him to guys like Marbury and Francis exemplifies that. Yes, on the surface the numbers are similar but they aren't the same players. Neither had the impact on his team that Rose has had so far. Neither had the drive to constantly work on his game and improve. A player's intangible qualities do make a difference in the real world, though that's something we'll never hear from guys who understand the game through basketball-reference.com.

Great Write-Up. I was ready to get my "HATER" hat on, but I get what you are saying. I am a Die-Hard Bulls Fan. I will agree, that DRose is young, but I will say that in just 3 years, he's been getting better, and I only expect that from him. I don't expect him as a 3rd year pro to be dominating as the 'hype' would have him. I'm enjoying watching his growth and the little tidbits I've seen over the last 2 seasons for him.

As a Bulls fan, I think we are 'longing' for some bright spots in our storied history. After MJ, there was little to be hope for, yet as attendance shows, our loyalty runs deep. Having a kid from Chicago, one of our own, be the star, be the promise, well, it will blind us b/c we relate to him more being from Chicago, and him growing up with MJ shadow over Chicago. So yes, as a Bulls fan, and from Chicago, there's a sense of that 'parental' thing that goes on. You know how parents always talk up their kids... like, "My son scored 'genius' on his kindergarten reading assessment". I believe a lot of people from Chicago treat DROSE that way.

Great Article.

Wow, fascinating post on a topic that is worthy of conversation.

I'd like to echo Mario's comments. I think the general reach of your post is that Derrick Rose is not as skilled as hype would suggest, and that kind of misses the point. The Bulls are not a very talented team, and Derrick Rose is a flawed player. And yet, he wills them to victories that they have no business coming away with.

It's the difference between being good and conducive to winning. Lebron James is the best player in the league and anyone who says otherwise is selling something. But if you gave people the ability to take one player for just this season, many would take Kobe or Durant, and reasonably so.

The second thing I would like to mention about Rose is that he's an absolute chameleon in what he contributes. When his teammates are struggling from the field he drops 30. When his teammates are on their games he drops 15 and over ten dimes. He shapes his game to how his teammates are fairing in way that is unusual. This is an ability that gets lost in statistics other than wins and loses.

ok... i am not a regular on whatever this site is.. just a dedicated reader of BDL and wherever that sends me on occasion.. BUT.. i do not honestly see how people can get so defensive about Rose... YES he is incredibly gifted athletically and can do amazing things and YES he makes his team better... BUT he is a shell of what he could and should be.. anyone who argues against that line of reasoning is just a fan of "good enough"... it is not a KNOCK on Rose that he is not there yet... it is actually a proclamation of just how phenomenal he could and should become! this NOAM person was worried about how people would crucify him for bringing up the names marbury or francis, but what about the names JORDAN or ROBERTSON or JOHNSON..... granted he does not have the height to be compared across the board... BUT he does have the, yes. GOD-GIVEN abilities that you just cannot possibly teach along with the skills to put him on another plane... my sincerest hope is that someone works with him, whether it be barkley, jordan, bird.. you name it... hell ROY TARPLEY could teach him a thing or two.. and i am not being flippant.. Rose could and SHOULD be that good.... if he truly procures the desire and will that others before him have mustered, he can be the best in the game for several years hands down.... an offensive and defensive stalwart that will not be denied......... (sorry for my ramblings, but i have been privately mumbling and grumbling for well over a year about perceptions or lack thereof)

in closing.. please do not think Noam is "headhunting".. it is more of a call to arms if you will for a pursuit of greatness

@Fifty Cent Darko,

"If he gets his assists up to 6.5..."??? He's averaging 8.5/game currently, ranked 7th among PG's as of today. Maybe you're referring to his stats at the end of the year? I watch almost every Bulls game, and I can tell you first hand that his low numbers in the past have been largely due to ineffective offensive schemes from VDN and poor shooting.

Fifty, wtf are you talking about? He's averaging close to 9 assists a game so far.

Rose has some incredible qualities: he's built like a tank, jumps like crazy, and has a very solid dribble. But because he plays PG, he needs to put up more assists. He doesn't have great vision or the ability to make crazy passes, but he should be able to use his extreme athletic abilities to create more drive-and-kick opportunities, especially with Korver on his team. If he gets his assists up to 6.5, while keeping a 20-25 ppg up, then he can get in the MVP conversation. But a team can't compete in the top tier without a set-up man, and he's not doing that yet.

Derrick Rose has the talent, competitiveness, and sheer force of will to take over games in a way that Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury never did.

It's my opinion that that was truly what Jordan's strength was. In crunch time, when he had to, he took over. Offensively, defensively, rebounding, whatever. He would score and defend and will the Bulls to a win.

DRose isn't there yet. I think we're seeing the beginnings of that same killer instinct though. He is a point guard so it's different, it's a different skill set but the talent/competitiveness/will to win is definitely there.

Rose is nowhere near Jordan, don't get me wrong, but I do believe he has an incredible will to win, more so than either francis or marbury, and he is more gifted athletically than either of them as well. Time will tell.

One more thing, I'd like to see a statistic on what Derrick's 3p% has been in fourth quarters. He's been much more clutch this season, and I'd be willing to wager that his percentage is probably a little higher in crunch time (rockets game, spurs game) than the rest of the game. Again, he's not a great three point shooter, but he's definitely improving (not to mention that shooting 34% from three is just as efficient as 50% from two)

"although apparently, now that he went 2 for 4 from long range on national TV, the fact that he’s still only shooting 34% for three means nothing"

although apparently he's only played 10 games...again nobody is satisfied with what rose is..he's going to be A lot better but don't also undermine his improvement in all categories and will be doing so.

so derrick rose says "why i can't be mvp" and suddenly people in your world- perhaps.....are putting him in the MVP candidacy..no all people are saying is that he has had MVP performances....i.e leading his team in the 4th quarter and scoring plus 10 points for the win....i don't know what more is the standard? to solve the worlds problems? no standing in the way of the hype machine does not make you a hater..what makes you a hater is denying REALITY...you seem to think because he has all of this T.V promo that people are saying he's MVP material..no he's an ALL-star a legit one in that.

"he isn't that good" WTF are you talking about do you watch bulls basketball? you are truly a hater the fact that they are 7-3 right now is because of rose and once boozer gets back you'll be seeing 20 + with double digit assist.

am not biased am an nba fan and i give credit where credit is due . you are too critical of him jeez like you said he's 22.....you blame others for bringing him to far up and you should blame yourself from bringing him too FAR down.....he's not mvp but he's great right now you m*ron.

As a person from Chicago, I'm keenly aware how many of us Bulls fans have to shower our selves off after we get so hot talking about Derrick (not D-Rose). And I know there are a ton of us too and it's probably super annoying for someone who has to sift through the opinions of the masses. I can assure you though that it is the nature of Derrick's fourth quarter heroics, and not his jumping ability, that excites the casual fan. If it wasn't we'd have made a much bigger deal about Tyrus Thomas and how he was freaking robbed during the 2007 dunk contest after cleanly jumping over Ben Gordon and tearing down the net just for show. But I fully and completely digress. I also want to touch on the free throw thing. We all know that's a problem. A problem with the NBA officials for only calling contact after a player let's the officials know he's been fouled by throwing his hands up like he's listening to a T-Pain song (see Durant, Kevin). Derrick probably has to meet them half way on that one by using some of his athleticism to let the refs know he's been hit. As for his three point shot, even we know this is a problem. Read this open letter to Derrick Rose's jumpshot http://mobile.blogabull.com/2010/10/1/1725429/open-letter-to-derrick-roses-jumpshot-dont-be-yoko. Now pardon me I need to shower after all of that Derrick talk. Don't let us ruin Rose for you.

Chicago native and big time Bulls fan here. I found this link and believed I'd hate the article after the first few paragraphs (that's not an affront to you, but rather, the health of blogs and their unwillingness to back up their arguments). But wow. Respectable viewpoint, balanced arguments, and a positive outlook. Great article.

"But we are constantly led to believe that Rose is more than this. His name has been repeatedly thrust into MVP discussions, both by the media and by himself. If this is the case, then the standards by which we must judge him are MVP standards. "

God, that stuff is so frustrating. Not only are you allowing others to create your expectations instead of using stats/your eyes to base your own (and putting Rose in MVP discussions because he said 'Why can't I be MVP' is akin to comparing Lebron to Tyrus Thomas because he said he wants to be as good as Lebron), but you're penalizing him because he's not meeting OTHER's lofts expectation. That's why words like 'he's overrated' are so stupid. There's no need to act like some sort of enforcer and declare who's rated wrong or right. Just create your own expectations.

And for all that talk about Rose not drawing FT's that game, he still had a 60% TS. With no free throws. Let's see Westbrook do that!

Excellent post. I'm a HUGE Bulls fan and, while I was mad at you at the beginning, by the end I completely agreed. Kudos.

Fantastic post. Just as there will always be a struggle with hype and anti-hype there will be the similar battle between casual and hardcore fans. Great read.

this is a dead on description of D-ROSE!! he needs to put it all together. offense, defense, and athleticism. once all three are working cohesively, they guy will be an mvp.

This matter has been commented on in passing at BlogaBull. For Bulls fans there is a certain element of blindness to his media presence--he has always been present for us--and disdain for the recent debunking of his skills in the media. Thus it is hard to recognize the supposed gap between image and reality. I would even say that most Bulls fans are reasonably critical of him and wish that he would get to the line more, but we also recognize the heinous non-calls that happen on a nightly basis.

If Rose were less efficient (he is shooting better from three than either Lebron, Wade or Kobe) or had some counterpoint or consistent three point shooters to put his USG% into question, then I could imagine there being some skepticism. But really, the constant comparisons to Marbury and Francis (and I have heard Baron Davis as well), even if said in jest, demonstrate exactly the media mechanism of equivocation that you point. He obviously has a different motor, work ethic and interest in the game than those guys and every year he makes steps in his games. Never mind that he is getting another free throw per game and is 5th among point guards in the category, is shooting 48% from the field (and was one of the best mid-range jump shooters in the league last year) and had 60% TS% in that game against the Spurs.

The only people who consider Rose some incomparable phenom are casual fans and bad writers. The rest of us see him exactly for what he is, a just 22 year old star on the cusp of super stardom. Its just too bad that sports writing can't use a little realism and make its culture as enjoyable as its object.

Thanks for this--I'm a huge D-Rose fan, being a Bulls fan since birth, but every time I watch him I feel (and know) there could be so much more. For every twisting layup in transition, there's a play where he settles for a 16-footer; for every double-pump dunk, there's a floater taken with 15 seconds left on the clock. It's scary to think that, as good as he is, he can easily be better--once he starts getting more calls, and as his jump shot continues to evolve (which it has, no doubt--these aren't just "but what if..." pipe dreams), he will be like no other score-first PG we've seen.

You really didn't even make an argument here. How can you expect people to value your opinion when your only real points are that he is only shooting 34% from behind the arc and that he doesn't shoot enough free throws. That took you over 1000 words. Any one can see that his team is significantly better on the offensive end with him on the court.

Actually I think you hit the nail on the head. The elephant in the room truth is that right now, Derrick Rose is a faster Stephen Marbury/Steve Francis sans the headcase. The question is, what will he become?

Rose can't buy calls in the lane....HUGE reason why he doesn't get to the line much. You referenced the Spurs game and, while the Bulls deserved that loss big time, you can't tell me the foul calls that Parker/Ginobili/Hill were getting (many and-1s in the lot) were close to the amount of contact that Rose merely brushes off because he's bigger and stronger. Does it mean he's not getting fouled? No. Does it appear that he might not be because he is able to absorb the contact without flailing (looking at you, Manu)? Apparently.

Not asking for the "superstar" calls that some players get...just the ones that are deserved.

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