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Have Ball, Will Travel: Manu Ginobili

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.

Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse:

As Ginobili drove left — which he always does, you know, considering the fact he’s left-handed — he planted both feet, then lifted both feet to step back to take the game-winning jumper, and landed before elevating to do so. There’s no way that isn’t a travel.

At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his  jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.

The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.

According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

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The beauty of this play is that Manu, without violating the new NBA version of the traveling rule, legally uses absolutely every possible maneuver to get steps/space/balance/elevation. Late gather, one crazy-angled step, into a reverse direction jump-stop. Absolutely gorgeous.

@Don,

"The gather doesn’t happen until both hands touch the ball, then the refs count 1…2…"

Wrong, the gather happens when a player gains control of the ball - it doesn't have to be with two hands.

READ this rule:
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A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. The first count occurs:

(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultaneously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.

The second occurs:

(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.

yes it looks awkward. but no its not a travel. if that play was made on the right side of the court then it wouldnt look like a travel. look closely, manu is driving on the left side of the court with right shoulders forward, after the step back he was already on a lefty shooting stance (which seems so wrong). if manu was a righty that play would look just like jordans's game winner over bryon russel against utah.

@John

It doesn't matter if you "think" he shouldn't get a free step during the gather. That is the way the rule is written. AFTER the gather(not DURING AND after), the player gets 2 steps. And the second step can be a pro-hop with both feet landing at the same time. The gather doesn't happen until both hands touch the ball, then the refs count 1...2...

Like I said, if we use YOUR interpretation of how it "should" be called, players would only be allowed one step on a breakaway layup since the foot on the ground would count as the 1st step, according to you. Glad you are NOT an official.... scores would be in the 70's on a nightly basis....

With all due respect to those who disagree, not a travel under modern NBA rules.

You get a step with the last dribble and then a step or hop to shoot, the problem is that it is always seen going to the basket splitting double-teams and avoiding defenders. Parker does it on most of his teardrops and it looks perfectly normal. Leave it to Manu to be inventive enough to use it in a new way. It initially went against my basketball intuition when I saw it, but it is legal, it just looks really really weird as a perimeter move, going backwards nonetheless.... Expect it to be common place in no time. I'm sure when your favorite guard is doing it you wont complain. It needs a name, like the Manu frog hop. Can't wait for Rose to pick this up, Go BULLS!!!

@Mike and Don:

You shouldn't get a free step during the gather and then another two when ending a dribble (even though this is how the pro game is called now). The spirit of the rule is you get a two count rhythm when ending a dribble.

When the video freezes at :45, Manu is holding the ball and has both feet on the floor, prior to the "pro hop."

That is a travel.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is a close call and don't envy the ref in that situation (especially at the end of the game). Also, I like Ginobili's game a lot and think he is a very smart and gutsy player. I just feel like in this situation, that was a travel.

@greencrow Thank you for your hilarious comment, you made my day. Great post, no travel at all. If this were a travel, then Carmelo would be travelling pretty much all the time.

He shifted his pivot foot, that's why he traveled. Another way of looking at it is that he did a two-foot jump stop. After planting the left, he used both feet to jump back into the shot. You can only jump off one foot into a jump stop.

The shot he took was completely against his normal style. Like everyone else, he steps back and then shoots once his other foot is under him. His buzz beater wasn't a bit of creative unorthodoxy. It was the result of stumbling and having to resort to something extra to maintain his balance.

Another great post!! If you watch the video as I did and have doubt, the official rule will say it wasn't a travel. It's a tough call due to his style but I'm sure that we're on top of every lttle detail after watching it in slow motion, time and time again. Let's face it without this footage or any of the posts in that case, would we even question them?! No travel Manu, keep playing.

The thing is, it's not very clear he jumped off one foot. Both feet were on the floor when he launched into his "jump stop". The rule clearly dictates this is only legal off of one foot. So it's probably still a travel.

What about the back-to-back called travels of Manu and Affalo tonight?

I love how some people can read the rules, watch the video, and then still somehow conclude it was a travel.

Honestly, I just don't get it. 1 step + jump stop. And the fact that both feet don't land at the same time? Irrelevant.

@John: "When he planted the right foot doesn’t matter. If a foot is touching the ground as he gains control of the ball, that is considered the first step."

Statement above is ABSOLUTELY FALSE! If that were the case, how can someone take 2 steps on a layup unless they catch the ball in the air EVERYTIME? Once you pick up the ball from a dribble or pass, you are allowed 2 steps on the move regardless of whether your feet are in the air or on the court, which Manu was "on the move."

Looks like he was fouled (hand-check) anyway if we're going letter of the law.

Just a thought but you might want to rewatch the replay again, did you completely miss the 2 step jump hop with a carry after he had already dribbled! (about 37 on the video) Amazing how bad the pathetic refing is in the Not Basketball Anymore!

Keep crying for calls losers - If you called every travel or walk or carry in the NBA - NO ONE WOULD SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looked like he was fouled (hand-check) anyway.

Thanks for clearing this up. It was questionable, but as a Spurs fan, I had faith in Manu.

I have to ask, though, what's the song used here?

@brod Ginobili's feet definitely landed at the same time, they just weren't together. Not as pretty as LeBron's crab dribble that led to the clarification of this rule, but similar. Don't doubt the bald spot- Manu's just better at basketball than pretty much everyone.

@John,

Read the NBA rule, it doesn't state that a foot at rest during the time a player controls the ball is the first step, it states "The first step occurs when a foot touch[es] the floor after gaining control of the ball."

Manu did not have possession of the ball when his right foot was planted. He did not gain control, i.e. put two hands on the ball, until his right foot was off the ground. Once again, Manu's brilliance refuses to be accepted by some. His game is amazing. He plays within the rules. Manu for MVP.

Sean: If it was about the carry, then it wouldn´t be a travel anyways, it could be a double dribbling. So, that´s probably not it either. It´s the first step, and jump stop.
Clear and simple. Legal, no travel there.

To have further more proof. It´s a Mavs fan writing the article. No way there´s a Spurs favouritism there.

Good video!

When he planted the right foot doesn't matter. If a foot is touching the ground as he gains control of the ball, that is considered the first step.

Even though he planted the right foot before the end of the dribble, Manu's right foot is touching the floor as he gains control of the ball. At 45 sec, for a brief moment, he is touching the floor with two feet, then he does the pro hop. It is a close call, but from my perspective, I don't think he pulled it off (that is, pulled his right foot up in time to avoid traveling).

Regardless, as Sean said, it is a blatant carry at the beginning of the move.

The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.”
The key word to me is progressing. Progress is defined as a movement toward a goal or forward or onward movement, in the dictionary. So by definition the progressing player must be moving forward not backward. Unless the NBA has changed the meaning of the word which of course is possible.

I am a Spurs fans, but I need to point out that Ginobili did travelled.

If you count the right foot was the first step of the latest dribble, and the left foot belonged to the second last dribble, then the second last dribble took 3 steps and travelled.

My interpretation of the play is a little different than yours, Rob. Manu's dribbling with his left hand, and his right hand doesn't come over to control the ball until after he plants his left foot (just prior to leaping backwards to land on both feet). Whether you count his backwards jump-stop as one or two steps, it's legal, since:

"A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball."

Basically, I'm saying Manu's dribble stopped after he planted his left foot (when his right hand came over to control the ball), and he took his legal steps (or step) backwards in coming to a stop.

Anyway, I'm nitpicking. Either way you look at it, it was a legal play, not a travel.

Not a travel. The reason why it always looks like Manu is traveling, is because when people use the "pro-hop" (jump off one foot, land on two), they usually use it to get between defenders, or get at better angles, or quickly get to their sweet spots. The difference is, most of the time this is used, nobody gets the distance Manu does. Even on his drives, he gets so much space because he takes some gargantuan steps, often times getting near the free throw line to the rim without dribbling or traveling.

Last night Pierce had a step back jumper. Manu had the leap back jumper. Amazing shots by both.

the two steps is on a layup- used to be a step and a half. You cant stop to take a jump stop- then do a two footed step back, land and then shoot.
If this is not technically a travel (it sounds like a reasonable doubt argument in court- i.e. it "could" not have been a travel if we find the right judge and to me there is a one in ten chance it is not) then I have been watching and playing a different game the last 40 years

Good post. Regardless of angle, slow-mo, rule book, ambient music, still looks like a travel to me.

hmm...just because the refs dont call it doesnt make it legal. Definitely a travel, his feet dont jump "stop" at the same time. Sure its difficult, but watching it in real time I wouldve been looking for it from Manu. Especially given his rep. Travel. Im not a hater, its just a critique. Hell of a shot though, given the ever-so-awkward landing.

I think his feet came down about as close as you can get on a jump stop. It wasn't a travel.

But he did carry the ball before starting his move. And it was the "interrupted dribble"-type carry that they said they were cracking down on.

@Nerragento, It's not a travel. It's extremely difficult to assume during a live game that his feet DIDN'T land at the same time anyways. Stop watching it in slow motion! Spurs won. Get over it.

...looks like a travel to me.
his feet dont look to come down at the same time on that jumpstop

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