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Eclipsing The Past

It’s amazing how quickly we forget. The notion of “what have you done for me lately?” runs rampant in our society and appears particularly prevalent in the world of sports. It’s no surprise that everybody gets excited about the newest stars or amazing performances, however, our obsession with novelty seems to be getting a little out of hand.

It seems like everybody is ready to proclaim Derrick Rose the new face of the NBA, but wasn’t it mere months ago that we had given that title to Kevin Durant? When I hear people talk about Derrick Rose as the best point guard or even the best player in the league I cannot help but wonder if Chris Paul and LeBron James were simultaneously involved in a horrific accident. I admit that Rose has done some incredible things and is one of the more electrifying players we have had in years, but to find a guard as scintillating as Rose, you don’t have to go all that far back. Sure, Rose has been impressive, but it was merely 6 years ago that a guy by the name of Allen Iverson was racking up 30 points and 8 assists on a nightly basis. Let’s pump the brakes just a little bit. Appreciate every jaw-dropping play that Rose makes in the playoffs this year, but try not to be so quick to forget that before Rose there were guys like Iverson who did it even better.

On top of overhyping the newest achievements, we also get bored rather quickly. Averaging 25 points, 7 assists, and 7 rebounds has only been done 15 times in NBA history and many of those seasons belong to LeBron James. Not many people have been properly impressed by James this year or think he is deserving of the MVP award, but if you check the stats he was just his normal, ridiculous self. Why aren’t we appropriately amazed by his unbelievable season? Because it’s nothing new. We’ve seen it all before. Leave it to LeBron to make a historic season seem monotonous. Just as voters got tired of giving Michael Jordan the MVP, we’ve become spoiled by James’ play. If any other player in the league piled up the stats that James did this year, we wouldn’t hesitate to crown him MVP and worship the ground he walked on. But since LeBron has done it four other times in his career? Nothing to see here, move along.

I suppose this phenomenon is partially due to the influx of younger NBA fans. Many of us didn’t have the privilege to see Larry Bird or Magic Johnson in their primes. Hell, I’m only 18 and hardly remember seeing Shaq at his best. I guess I’m unique and can’t expect all young fans to be as obsessed as me, but I hate to see retired players have their lore be underestimated. A recent poll on ESPN.com asked a question about the best defensive centers of all time. I was shocked to see that Dwight Howard was running away with the vote. There is no questioning Dwight’s dominance in the current era, but to say he is better than Hakeem or Russell is just ignorant. I love the modern NBA, but legends of the past still deserve our respect when we compare them to the stars of today.

What really got me thinking about all of this happened last night. I noticed everybody on Twitter going insane about Carmelo Anthony’s performance against the Celtics. TNT’s Charles Barkley went as far as to say that it was one of the best playoff performances he had ever seen. Apparently Charles never saw himself play. Or Michael Jordan. Or Kobe Bryant. Or LeBron James. Don’t get me wrong, 42 points and 17 rebounds against this Boston defense is remarkable, but as ESPN’s Adam Reisinger pointed out, it wasn’t even the best performance this year. Chris Paul’s game-one demolition of the Lakers earns a higher game-score from Basketball-Reference.com and considering the fact that Paul’s team actually won the game, I think most people would agree. I was just as impressed by the Carmelo Anthony Show, but there’s no need to blow it out of proportion just because it happened 5 minutes ago.

I admit it’s hard not to get caught up in what’s happening here and now. Regardless, people ought to relax. Kobe will never be as good as Jordan and Rose isn’t as good as Paul, yet. The NBA playoffs are awesome and let’s enjoy the present, but try not to let it overshadow the past.

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Thanks, Conrad, for pointing out that we all need to have a little perspective. I know this is going to sound like "back in the day" nonsense, but I watched both Bird and Magic in their primes and of today's players only Bryant and James can be mentioned in their company. They simply played the game at a different level. Magic completely redefined the point guard position and Bird was quite possibly the most skilled offensive player ever. The stat sheet doesn't even begin to do justice to how great they were. If you didn't witness it in person it is difficult to understand how incredible the Lakers, Celtics, Sixers and Pistons were during that time. Or how good various different 2nd tier teams like the Bucs, Hawks, Spurs, Jazz, Blazers and Mavs were. The game simply changed with expansion. The Bulls were an amazing basketball team in the 90s and deserve all the high praise, but they never faced an opponent even remotely comparable to the very best teams in the 80s.

There's always going to be a recency bias when it comes to ranking great players in a best this or best that list (whether it's year by year or all-time). Howard is a very good defensive center, but it's extremely difficult to judge just how good he is because there are so few good centers in the NBA today. Howard's greatest strength is his off-ball, paint-controlling defense. He'd have a much harder time if he had to pay attention to the great post players that used to be in the league. Even Shaq's dominance in the early 2000s is tempered by the fact that he was playing against guys like Greg Ostertag. When he had to go head-to-head as a pup with Olajuwon he got torched. That isn't to say that they aren't both great, just that neither Howard or Shaq had to contend with the great big men that a guy like Kareem had to. I mean, at various points in his career Kareem went head to head with Wilt Chamberlain, Elvin Hayes, Bill Walton, Bob Lanier, Willis Reed, Moses Malone, Robert Parrish, Artis Gilmore, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Patrick Ewing. Hell, Mark Eaton and Darryl Dawkins were better than all but maybe 2 or 3 centers today. And people seem to forget that Kareem was All-Defense 11 times. I think Howard is a great player and dominant defender, but he's going to have to do a lot more to earn a spot alongside Kareem, Wilt, and Russell or even crack the 2nd tier great centers like Hakeem, Moses, Shaq and Duncan. And even if we're talking solely defense, Wilt, Russell, and Olajuwon are still way ahead.

Loved the article, it's definitely something I've been noticing lately as well. Not only does overexaggerating the present over the past cheapen basketball history, but it also takes some of the fun out of watching the game now. People need to learn to just shut up and enjoy the amazing action in front of them instead of constantly trying to compare and one-up something that has happened in the past.

Very nice read. Congrats, Conrad. James is taken for granted far too much, indeed. It's not only the offensive stats, though. His defense is great, too. But, as John from Vancouver mentioned, people don't like Lebron the person (though most of them don't even know him). I'm not sure what that has to do with Lebron the basketball player, but there you have it. It does show sloppy reasoning, but unfortunately that's epidemic in all areas of life.

@ Tyler

Durant should definitely be in the MVP conversation, he's just not MVP. And Westbrook? Not at all. A very good player, to be sure, but not at that level.

comparing Rose and Iverson statistically is pretty useless... one should forget that the NBA disallowed handchecking right around the time Allen Iverson lost his effectiveness... and that all the young and quick guards like Rose (or Parker, or Ellis...) profit heavily from the fact that you can't touch them... by this rule change, the NBA shifted from a big man league to a little but quick guard league... it should never be forgotten, that Iverson played his statistically best seasons before that... and the reached the NBA Finals with a couple of stiffs... could Rose do that?

Amanzing post. I feel the same about this "neophilia" thing. This year was derrick rose, who will be the next "mvp sensation"? Sure it won't be Lebron, Durant or even Rose. The media always need a new story.
* sorry for the bad english, i'm brazilian and don't dominate the language.

"Was Iverson more productive statistically? No. This season of Rose’s eclipses any Iverson had."

Reading comprehension, it's a great skill to have South Side.

What moron compared Iverson's 6th year in the league ('01-'02)his prime) to Rose's 3rd year ('10-'11 = still learning the game)???? Doesn't Rose have his best years ahead of him? Who knows what happens if he adds a post game to his toolbox? Or increases his FG%?

Wouldn't it make more sense to compare BOTH of their 3rd years? I'm not going to even get into the fact that Rose was ONE AND DONE and therefore less seasoned coming into the league. But check BOTH of their 3rd year stats...they look pretty even to me...

Rose ('10-'11) - 25.0PPG| 7.7APG| 4.1RPG| 1.0SPG| 3.0TO| .445FG%| .332 3P%| .858FT%
Iverson ('98-'99) - 26.8PPG| 4.6APG| 4.9RPG| 2.3SPG| 3.48TO| .412FG%| .291 3P%| .751FT%

Rose is even a superior free throw and three point shooter! Imagine what his numbers will look like in three more years!!!!

JD, follow that link in my article and look at some of the other playoff performances that rank higher than Carmelo's. His was awesome, I agree, but I'm not going to say it was some absurdly once-in-a-life-time kind of thing.

" I was just as impressed by the Carmelo Anthony Show, but there’s no need to blow it out of proportion just because it happened 5 minutes ago."
According to BasketballReference Carmelo Anthony is the only player in the last 20 years to post 42 points, 17 rebounds and 6 assists in a playoff game. So yeah, I guess it wasn't that special...

Okay so Maybe you can answer me this if you are goin to put both Wade and lebron in the mvp discussion then why wouldn't you put durant or westbrook in as well? KD is the leading scorer in the game for the second season in a row l and helps his team win ball games. The THUNDER would not win the. Northwest division without him. Russell westbrook is 13th in the league in scoring and can play defense he is 8th in the league. If you are going to use the argument ohh well westbrook and Durant cancel.eachother out then why wouldn't you cancel out lebron because of wades superstar status? Its a double standard then.

@JohnVancouver: good thing this is the Best Personality Award then.

Good article, summarizes my thoughts as well. That Dwight poll in particular ..... what the hell, Hakeem was the perfect center and it wasn't even that long ago.

"Not many people have been properly impressed by James this year ...Why aren’t we appropriately amazed by his unbelievable season?"

Because he's such an enormous dick

There are two "catch-all" stats I take seriously in evaluating players: win shares and wins produced. Rose's 2010-11 season beats any individual season Iverson ever had handily.

Also, I don't think Rose is even close to being the MVP. He's just better than the massively overrated Iverson ever was.

I believe that is called missing the forest for the trees.

You can argue that Rose has had a better statistical season than Iverson ever did, but then again in order to do that you would have to use some advanced statistics and get efficiency involved. This is kind of ironic because when you start to use advanced statistics you end up proving that Rose doesn't deserve the MVP this season. Interesting, no?

Correction on my stat line for AI, I meant to write 2001-02 Season. and 2010-11 for Rose.

I'm sorry I normally don't reply to comments, but..Rose blows away AI because of what he's done this season because AI hasn't had as good of a statistical season?

Stat line: Allen Iverson 6-0: 31.4 PPG, 5.5 APG, 4.5 RBP, 2.8 STL 2010-11 Season (Regular)
Derrick Rose 6-3: 25.0 PPG, 7.7 APG, 4.1 RPG, 1.0 STL 2001-02 Season (Regular)

Allen Iverson in his time, had monster stats on mediocre teams. His teammate? Matt Harping, 35 year old Dikembe Mutombo, 34 year old Derrick Cole, and Eric Snow. And this wasn't even his MVP season.

Was Iverson more productive statistically? No. This season of Rose’s eclipses any Iverson had.

That's an interesting claim to make Jay. What metric are you using to claim that Rose's season eclipses any of Iverson's? Rose is a more efficient overall, 2 point, and foul shooter than Iverson but his peaks in assists, rebounds, 3pt %, and steals are all lower than Iverson's. Rose's best season of win shares trumps Iverson's, but Iverson's best PER, offensive/defensive rating, and TS% seasons trump Rose's. Iverson's usage in Philly was also higher for eight seasons than Rose's top usage (this year), which is ironic given what is said about how integral Rose is to Chicago's offense.

I don't disagree with the idea that Rose may be better than Iverson, especially given that he has only 3 years in the league. but I'd like to know your reasoning for calling this season better than anything Iverson did. He's in the same ballpark in many statistics, but calling him him statistically more productive warrants some statistical backing.

@Jay

Have you watched any game if AI? Derrick Rose is good but he is nothing compare to AI.

I'm not sure what comparison you're trying to make between Rose and Iverson. Was Iverson better going by the "eye test", in terms of just making jaw-dropping plays? That could be. Was Iverson more productive statistically? No. This season of Rose's eclipses any Iverson had.

i definitely agree. the same goes for why pujols hasn't won the nl mvp the past 6 seasons. people get tired of seeing the same player win every year.