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Unless you’ve been living under a rock – and even then I still think you would have heard about this – you know there are some big things brewing in New York right now as it relates to the Knickerbockers. Jeremy Lin has emerged from out of nowhere and taken the nation, the city and the fan base by storm. One of the best parts about this story is that we’re all really experiencing it together. So with that in mind, over the past week or so, I’ve had the pleasure of e-mailing back and forth with two of the most knowledgeable – and hilarious – Knicks fans on the interwebs, Seth Rosenthal of Posting and Toasting and netw3rk aka Jason Concepcion of Twitter, the Internet, Corgi conventions and SBNation, about our experiences experiencing Linsanity individually, together as Knicks fans and as part of the larger NBA universe. We started our discussion after last week’s Knicks-Hawks game and kept it going right up through yesterday. Enjoy.
Dubin: We’re now through Game 11 with Jeremy Lin as a regular presence in our lives, and it undoubtedly feels different today than it did when he first surfaced on February 4th against the Nets. He’s gone from one hit wonder to improbable surprise story to international sensation in a span of just over two weeks. Everyone’s experiencing Linsanity in some way, but as Knicks fans, we’re really right in the middle of it.
The ride has been incredible. As I’ve already said, it’s often left me speechless. Sometimes because I have nothing to say, others because I don’t want to say anything for fear that I’ll somehow mess things up. That’s the nasty undercurrent with Knicks fans; we’re so neurotic, so used to everything going so spectacularly wrong that even when we’re in the middle of something as joyous and undeniably terrific as Linsanity we still have that creeping doubt in our minds. The one saying, “This will all end soon. It always does.” We’re always waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I know that when I see a short-handed team fight for a huge comeback win against the Mavericks, it feels like that feeling is going away and that I can trust this team, but then they come out and lose to the Nets in the next game and that feeling gives way to a different one. I’m confident in the kid and I’ll defend him against anyone who says he can’t play or he’s not that good, but sometimes I can’t help but feel like this all isn’t really real.
So my question(s) for you guys is(are): how have you felt about your experience with Linsanity? Do you feel that doubt at times too? Have you at all worried, despite everything we’ve seen and read and written about him that points toward any of this being sustainable, this will all come crashing down? Has that feeling waned? Have I asked enough questions yet?
Rosenthal: Pretty much the whole time I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop or whatever, but recently, I’ve found myself able to take my eyes away from him and not fretting over every little move he makes. I trust him and, I’m scared to admit, I must be starting to feel like he’s reliable. I know this because I looked at his stat line after the Atlanta game– a 17-point, nine-assist outing that, if it came from a Knick point guard in January, would have made me soil myself– and, you know, didn’t soil myself. I must have involuntarily adopted a set of expectations for Jeremy.
But then, as a self-centered Knick fan, I’m now making myself worried that I’m taking the kid for granted and he’s suddenly going to fail or melt into a puddle or something. The Knicks can’t just establish something good and keep it that way. That opposes everything I’ve been conditioned to expect from this organization. Oh god, where’s Jeremy? Has anybody seen him recently? Did he disappear? Are we even sure that he ever truly existed?
See what you did, Jared!?
netw3rk: Lin’s emergence has been, for me, the most purely enjoyable stretch of Knicks game I’ve experienced. Even when the Knicks were contending in the 90′s, the pressure of trying to overcome Chicago or fend off Indiana and Miami, was suffocating. The Knicks were truly the bad guys in black sneakers & shaved heads then, an eminently hate-able (if you weren’t a fan) team who physically pulverized opponents. The winning was fantastic but it was gone about with an air of grim duty and a hint of maliciousness. The incredible run during the 99′ postseason comes close — the peaks were higher — but there wasn’t the sustained feeling of happiness game-in, game-out.
What links 99′ and Lin’s emergence, in my mind, is that both were near total surprises. I was pretty darn sure NY’s window was tightly shut in 99′, at least as far getting to the finals was concerned. I was also pretty sure Lin — despite flashes — didn’t have anything close to the games he’s put up in him. I’m still find myself jolted with by an electric bolt of surprise when he makes a layup.
Now, 20 points and 8 assists is not sustainable. I’d be happy with 12 and 6.5. I am concerned about the effects of the hype, and the hype backlash, on him. In general I think I feel like most Knick fans do towards him: protective.
Dubin: I definitely feel you on the “protective” bit. Especially after last night’s game against the Heat (we’re onto a different day now, readers), when all the, “Oh, man. Linsanity is OVER. This kid is done and it was allllllll a fluke,” type of people came out, I felt the need and the urge to rush to his defense. Lin got so big, so fast that there are people who are now rooting for him to fail because of it; and at times I really do feel like it’s on us as Knicks fans to be, for lack of a better description, his offensive linemen, and protect him from all that criticism. I think that plays into Seth’s point about developing a set of expectations for him too. I think a lot of people did, and that made it pretty jarring to see him fail so spectacularly against the Heat, even if we should have expected him to struggle – though not to the degree that he did – given their defensive strategy and the athletes they can put on the floor.
You bring up a good point about the 90s Knicks as well. Those teams were flat out awesome, and I loved rooting for them. They’re the teams I grew up on and I’ll remember them for the rest of my life, but they were NOT fun teams. Fun to root for, sure, but not to watch play the game of basketball. It was dirty, it was ugly, it was hang em and bang em, knock down, drag out basketball and not a soul would tell you it was aesthetically pleasing.
But I’ve had sooo much fun just watching Jeremy Lin and these Knicks play basketball. The fact that I share the experience nightly with everyone on Twitter, in my writing and in reading everything that everybody else writes probably plays into that, but he’s also just been exhilarating to watch. The last second heroics, the charisma, everything. It’s been kind of surreal, the Knicks have never been this fun.
How has all that played into you guys’ experience with Linsanity? Do you feel that Twitter and writing and just generally being part of the NBA blogosphere has elevated it to another level than it would be at if you weren’t an active participant in those arenas? I know that sometimes I feel like everyone is watching us very carefully as Knicks fans to see how we react to all this. Some people are waiting to jump down our throats for getting too high or too low on the kid, others are just watching for entertainment purposes; but it does feel like there are eyes on us for sure. Do you feel that way too?
netw3rk: Twitter has definitely magnified the Lin experience for me, mainly, because Twitter has become the de-facto way I talk about basketball. I think people are watching Knicks fans reaction to Lin for a few reasons, the largest ones being:
The Knicks are viewed as star-crossed franchise, so something unexpected AND good happening is a new experience for everyone involved.
Various flavors of Knicks/New York/Big Market hate manifested in a hope that Lin fails so that people can rub it in our faces.
Dubin: That Knicks/New York/Big Market hate hasn’t really hit Lin yet, but it has to be coming pretty soon, right? You just don’t have an extended period of success in New York without people turning on you unless your name is Derek Jeter. Right now, there’s the occasional salt-thrower on Lin’s game, but nothing too crazy. I could really see him engendering big time haters because of how big his story has gotten and how fast. Do you guys see that in his future?
Rosenthal:Â I think a big part of Lin’s avoiding the “HE’S FROM NEW YORK! BURN HIM!” backlash is how consistently he deflects even remotely seedy attention. Who knows how he’ll fare over the long run, but guys like Jeter have gotten in trouble in part because they occasionally get caught with their hands in the cookie jar– gallivanting around with some hottie, or living lavishly in some other realm. Lin’s been pretty outspoken in saying he doesn’t want to become like that, though there’s no way of knowing how he might change as he gets comfortable here (and that isn’t to say that a guy having a nice car or keeping hotties around as company is a bad thing. People just flip out about those things).
I think that, because it still seems so improbable and because it’s New York, people will be especially prone to dissecting Jeremy’s game as long as he stays reasonably good. As long as his apparent flaws are confined to the basketball court, though, I can’t see it getting out of hand the way it does for some other New York sports figures.
Dubin:Â That’s a good point you bring up about how Lin deflects that type of attention, because I feel like he tried to do that with all the on-court attention when this whole thing first started as well. He would constantly bring up guys like Jared Jeffries and Shump and Tyson in interviews as if to deflect praise away from his own efforts and highlight theirs. He’s seemingly made a lot of the guys on the team more confident in their abilities through his confidence in them on the court, and also the way he speaks about them off it.In terms of his on-court performance, though, do you feel that people will be quicker to pounce on him if he does wind up falling back to earth because of the way this story developed? They almost have to, right?
Rosenthal: Oh, definitely. It’s bound to happen and it’s already started to happen after a bad game or two. I just hope people are directing some of that grouchiness toward the entities that blew so much hot air into Lin’s story (none of whom were Jeremy himself).
netw3rk: I’d probably pounce on him if the situation was the same except he played for someone else.
Dubin:Â It feels like the All-Star Break may help some of the hysteria around Lin die down, especially since the Knicks only play once between now and Sunday. The fact that it was a continually ongoing story that had so much momentum because it felt like the Knicks had a game every day played a huge part in Lin’s rise.
So, where do you see this all going from here? Will the crazy amount of hype die down naturally or will it take a string of bad performances like the one against the Heat last week? As a Knick fan, would you like it if the crazy hype and all the pomp and circumstance surrounding this situation all just went away? I know that, when I saw how exhausted he looked during All-Star Weekend, I definitely wished a few times that he could just play basketball. I’m happy for the kid that he’s a big story and he deserves everything he gets, but I can’t help but worry that it’ll burn him out (which again, plays into that creeping doubt that all Knicks fans experience).
Rosenthal: I do think the All-Star break and the loss to the Heat and just the passage of time and people’s wandering attention will allow the “Linsanity” stuff to die down somewhat. And he’s bound to have some more bad games here and there, which will throw off some of the more casual observers who don’t really understand what’s going on and expect perfection.
In the long run, I think everybody settling down can only help matters because, like you said, he’s going to get burned out if he remains such a point of focus off the court. I just hope that it doesn’t turn into a case where, instead of just retreating from the story, folks feel the need for backlash. It’s not Jeremy’s fault that he’s been lionized and I hope he doesn’t have to bear the brunt of any unreasonable outrage if he makes mistakes that are perfectly acceptable from an undrafted second-year player.
netw3rk: I don’t think anyone knows where Lin’s ceiling will end up. But if I had a gun to my head, right after wetting my pants, I’d say Lin will develop into better Ramon Sessions, adept at the pick and roll, not a great shooter.
The upside to Lin’s well publicized weaknesses — going left, shooting — is at these are things that should improve over the course of his career. He’s only 23 after all. What Knicks fans need to prepare themselves for is more games in the mold of the Miami game as defenses catch up to him. He’s not going to fix his problems this season.
So, get ready for some backlash.
Big thanks again to Seth and Jason for their participation in this here thing.Â