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Can’t Find A Place For Rodney Stuckey

I kind of want to write something about Rodney Stuckey, but then I'm like, "why?". This is the perfect microcosm of Rodney Stuckey.
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Noam Schiller

The Detroit Pistons and restricted free agent Rodney Stuckey are struggling to come to terms on a long-term contract, sources said.

Stuckey, the Pistons’ top free agent this offseason, is balking at what the team is prepared to pay him. The Pistons have discussed a deal that would pay Stuckey between $40 million and $45 million over five years, according to sources.

via Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons at bargaining impasse, sources say – ESPN.

When I first saw this piece of offseason news, I was confused. “Stuckey said no to what now?! Is he insane? He’s never getting more than that!”.

But then I thought Stuckey and his representatives actually had a point. This is Mike Conley and Marcus Thornton money. Rodney Stuckey is better than Mike Conley and Marcus Thornton, isn’t he?

Then I left the computer, grabbed a bit to eat, and forgot about it, only to go through the exact same thought process the next time I saw a Stuckey reference.

Rodney Stuckey is a confusing player. On the one hand, he’s got great size for a point guard, which allows him to bully defenders into submission, barreling into the paint for the hoop plus the harm. How about this little nugget from John Hollinger’s routinely fantastic season previews: Stuckey led all perimeter players with the percentage of his plays that ended in And 1s. Stuckey gets his team to the free throw line and his opponents to their bench, an underrated skill if there ever was one.

That’s pretty much the only thing Stuckey is definitively great at – the rest ranges somewhere from solidly above mediocre to downright awful. He’s a good ball-handler and doesn’t turn the ball over too much, but he’s not an elite distributor either, handing out a perfectly meh 6.6 assists per 40 minutes. Synergy ranks him as above average at virtually everything – he ranks somewhere between 110th and 195th among all players at all offensive categories except isolations (44th) and hand offs (29th). Except, he only had 26 hand-off plays all season, and when isolating he shoots a fairly horrible 39.3%, his efficiency overall undoubtedly achieved almost exclusively by the frequent free throw line forays. He’s a horrendous shooter. He’s a good rebounder as a point guard, but average for a 6’5” one.

Defensively, he’s slightly subpar. He’s big but not quick, strong but not smart. He’s athletic enough overall to be good in a system that isn’t predicated on revolting against a lame duck coach (hey there, Lawrence Frank) – or at least, we think so. We’ve never really seen any proof.

The easy answer is to call him a tweener. But it runs deeper with Stuckey. He’s not a shooting guard in a point guard’s body, because his body screams 2. He’s not a point guard in a shooting guard’s body, because he’s not a point guard. He’s just very, very confusing.

The problem with Stuckey isn’t a matter of position – a sort of classification that should be on its way out of basketball jargon anyhow – it’s a matter of role. Stuckey has been asked to create for others as well as himself ever since Chauncey Billups was shipped out of town, but Stuckey was never anything more than passable at finding his brethren. He’s a scorer, first and foremost. The problem is, since he’s so bad at catch-and-shoot situations (or, lets be honest , anything-and-shoot situations), that scoring has to come off the dribble. Preferably, against a smaller defender, AKA the point guard.

It’s what makes Stuckey so different from other ball dominant shooting guards. Take Jason Terry, for instance. Terry’s tweenerhood is entirely defensive: if he can guard point guards but play as a shooting guard offensively, as the Mavericks have so wisely enabled him over time, he’s set. This can’t be done with Stuckey. The easy solution of moving him off the ball, letting somebody else create for everybody and let Stuckey create for Stuckey doesn’t work, because the point guard matchup and the ball in his hands is what enables him to create in the first place.

Ideally, Stuckey would get the ball in his hands as part of the second unit, a larger Jamal Crawford or J.J. Barea. But Stuckey is just too good for a second unit role. Among the 46 players with a PER above 18 last season and enough minutes to qualify, the only full-time bench players were Ramon Sessions, Philly’s dynamic bench duo of Lou Williams and Thaddeus Young, and de-facto starter Lamar Odom. While ranking Stuckey among those five is an interesting argument in the sense that comparing apples and oranges can lead to fascinating discussions, the fact remains that players as good as Stuckey tend to play large minutes more often than not, because when they are on the bench, their team is very likely to be worse off. You can’t spell Stuckey without “key”, but you also can’t spell it without “stuck”.

That’s the major difference between Stuckey and guys like Conley or Thornton. Is Stuckey better than them? Yes, probably. His entire package of skills exceeds Thornton’s score-first-ask-questions-later routine (and I’m one of the biggest Thornton fans out there) or even Conley’s  work as a suddenly above-average floor general. The difference, though, is Stuckey’s skills are an awkward fit virtually every way you choose to use them. Giving fair value to a player whose value is always less than his value is both a confusing sentence and a hard task.

Cosmic Fanhood

It’s possible that in my dreary preview of the Pistons’ season, I didn’t do Rodney Stuckey’s game justice.

As far as transition-sparking pieces go, Stuckey may be more J.J. Hickson than John Wall. His point guard contemporaries are ripping a hole in the fabric of the universe, but that doesn’t mean Stuckey doesn’t have his own special place in space and time. Relativity isn’t all that matters. It’s perfectly acceptable to enjoy Stuckey’s existence in a vacuum, particularly when he offers gems like this one:


Video via James Herbert/outsidethenba.

Stuck has never been regarded as a highlight factory, but he has some flair to his game. Just because he was appointed as Chauncey Billups’ successor doesn’t make him some kind of old souled floor general. Stuckey is a 24 year-old who was once the bright spot of a Pistons’ playoff run and pegged as a breakout candidate. That grand evolutionary moment never really came, but players can still make progress without busting through a wall. As long as we accept that Stuckey will likely never be a franchise centerpiece or maybe even a complementary star, he’s actually a pretty fun watch. It’s an odd thing to say about a player who really doesn’t have huge-stat potential (I think you’ll find Stuckey lives quite comfortably within the 14-20 point range, which I’ve heard is quite amenable) and isn’t an all-world athlete, but there really are worse things than having to watch Stuckey, a 6’5” point man, run the show. I may not be a fan of the rest of the Pistons’ ensemble cast, but Stuck is a clever finisher, a solid defender, and a reasonably effective playmaker, in that order. He’s not a League Pass draw on his own, but Stuckey has enough talent to be the most unexpectedly enjoyable part of a close Pistons game you join already in progress, or a Detroit regular season upset of a quasi-contender.

The best part of being an NBA die-hard is that you never have to pick and choose if you don’t want to. Stuckey is no longer eclipsed by talents such as Rajon Rondo or Chris Paul, even if he’s an inferior player on an inferior team. You can love whichever players strike you, but the mystical power of DVR and League Pass Broadband give you access to the ether. All judgments of which game to watch in which time slot are only temporary, as the power to control when and how we watch games opens the door for guys like Stuckey. Players compete against each other on the court in a very literal sense, but there’s no clash over our attentions. Enjoy some players and ignore others, but these days the limits of time have little to do with it.

BlockClocked 12.9.09: A New Kid On The Block

For the introduction to BlockClocked, click here.

BlockClocked tracks which players are getting their stuff sent away, out of here, gotten gone, rejected, denied, and heretofore blocked. We track both total attempts blocked and blocked percentage. All data courtesy of HoopData.com.

TOP TEN PLAYERS IN TOTAL ATTEMPTS BLOCKED, AS OF 12.09.09

Player Times blocked (Total) Games Played Blocked per40 Percentage of all FGA Blocked
Carmelo Anthony 37 22 1.84 7.9
Rodney Stuckey 34 20 1.80 10.2
Gerald Wallace 34 20 1.68 14.2
Chris Bosh 30 23 1.50 7.8
Monta Ellis 30 20 1.49 7.2
Zach Randolph 29 21 1.54 9.1
Chris Douglas-Roberts 28 18 1.69 10.6
Corey Maggette 28 19 2.38 14.0
David Lee 27 22 1.45 9.5
Gilbert Arenas 27 19 1.58 8.0

Corey Maggette loves getting blocked. Loves it. He gets home from a hard day at the office, puts on the Ally McBeal soundtrack, and sinks into a warm tub of BLOCKED. 2.38 per 40 for the veteran, with a 14% mark. If 10% or more of your shots get sent back the other direction? Well, that doesn’t really mean much of anything, but that’s a lot of embarrassment throughout the course of a season. Gerald Wallace is looking to threepeat the crown, and he’s getting the shot opportunities to do it. It’s interesting that his blocked numbers haven’t gone down since he started playing the lights out, but maybe the offensive board-putback attempts have something to do with that.Check out Chris Douglas Roberts, out of nowhere! Hard work for the swingman. At the third highest percentage, he might be making a run at this thing.

TOP TEN PLAYERS IN PERCENT OF ATTEMPTS BLOCKED PER 40 MINUTES, AS OF 12.09.09

Player Percent Blocked
Acie Law 50.0
Shavlik Randolph 28.6
Pops Mensa-Bonsu 27.3
Derrick Brown 21.1
Shaun Livingston 20.0
Nathan Jawai 18.9
Etan Thomas 17.9
Kosta Koufos 17.6
Chuck Hayes 17.1
D.J. Augustin 16.9

Acie Law may really not get an opportunity to lower that percentage. He just needs to take two three pointers in garbage time, but of course, the Bobcats rarely if ever see garbage time. Jawai’s climbing, and Chuck Hayes is kind of an interesting develop, owing mostly to his volume of shots at rim. D.J. Augustin? What is it that people on Twitter say? Oh, yeah. SMH.

Not So Much With The Grabbing The Reins

Stuckey’s supposed to fill the traded shoes of Chauncey Billups at the point guard position, but he continues to show that maybe he’s just a two guard out of position. His assist numbers per 36 minutes are down by nearly two full assists a game this year and he doesn’t seem to have the point guard’s keen sense of his surroundings when he has the ball and drives to the hoop.

However, if he’s going to be a shooting guard, he needs to shoot better than 39%. Chauncey Billups has shot 44% in his career just once (42% career average), but he can get away with that because of the shots he creates for his teammates as their point guard. If Stuckey isn’t going to create shots, then he needs to make shots. It’s science.

via The Concerns About Rodney Stuckey – Motown String Music.

The Pistons’ best lineup is actually their small ball with Bynum at point, Gordon at the 2 and Stuckey at the 3. Something tells me that’s probably not going to work out long-term for them.

So Bynum’s pretty much a point, Gordon’s definitely a two, Stuckey’s probably a two, and Hamilton’s probably a two.

Seriously, Dumars, that trade button ain’t gonna push itself.